Why is Sonar still treated like the underdog?

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neverfall wrote:While [WhyteRabbit] still can't list Sonar features or show me a marketing ad that positions it to stand out from the rest
With all due respect, not taking into consideration your lack of ability to maintain a mature level of conversation and inability to understand anyone's "logic" (haha, pun), what really separates any DAW software from another? Isn't it up to the individual on what is important, and what is not? You say this is not the original question, and yet you respond to this. If it was irrelevant, there would be no need to respond to it. But it is indeed a relevant point; you can't claim something for one, as if it applies to nothing else, when it clearly does.

Begging your pardon, but below the post you made that I quoted in part, you have also recommended to WhyteRabbit that he should not click on certain thread titles. I wonder why that might be? This form of request is often used as a fallback response on the internet, brushing under the carpet that which is uncomfortable and unavoidable. I am sure there are many such threads you have clicked on, and responded within, that you should not have either, completely hypocritising your statement. I would ask that you kindly keep such ridiculously useless comments to yourself. Avoiding a thread even when you have something valid to say within it is unnecessary, and to request someone to do so is admittance of an inability to find a logical and acceptable argument against what you so desperately wish to do.

Good day to you.

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Time to clean up this mess



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Now listen you sorry selftwisted pieces of utterly ****

The premises of this thread is what is wrong. Sonar is not considered an underdog but is the king of audio handling for that simple reason that Cubase is dongled, while Pro Tools is one big f*cking dongle. Live might not be dongled but it is as ugly as the original sin. Now go *@#%& , you *%¤4$*^¨!
"I speak for all mediocrities in the world. I am their champion. I am their patron saint."

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whyterabbyt wrote:
Clue #2...Find a mirror and ask yourself what sort of a jackass enters an "illogical" thread and chooses to argue with the "asshole" who has given a decent response to the initial question asked in this thread.
The guy in the mirror said 'a jackass like neverfall'. I'll have to believe him.

And with a comeback of that magnitude I'll have to believe you're shit outta ammo.

whyterabbyt wrote:
It's one thing to be an asshole...but who's leaving this discussion with shit on his face?
clearly yourself.

Cocaine is a helluva drug...but you sure ain't Rick James Bitch.


whyterabbyt wrote:
Clue # 3....

Any 'ol random ass Cubase v. Sonar thread from Cakewalk's forums.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1018 ... e&#1018727
Yeah, a pretty random thread. I dont think it proves what you think it does, though.
See above statement regarding cocaine use. I don't know whether you're a few cities away...perhaps an ocean away...but I'm sure that DENIAL has the same meaning in your language as in my own. You can see what you choose to see. Acknowledge whatever you feel comfortable with...

But I'm sure you acknowledge this foot in your ass thanks to that clue. That clue sealed it for you ddn't it? If it didn't...


whyterabbyt wrote:
Now I understand you might roam these forums looking for payback someday. Trust me it's not THAT serious. Now I'm gonna hit the gym...when I come back...
...you'll still be as incapable of a consistent and rationale argument? And you'll still be wittering on about that 'initial' question, and judiuciously ignoring the rest, as though that somehow wins you an argument?

See here you are on that cop out shit. I knew this was coming. SO WHAT if I won this argument? If it didn't bother you then why even acknowledge that a win/loss scenario even exists? This is ONLY the internet but for the record...I won't keep you from lying to yourself. If you honestly feel that you've won then you're much better at lying to yourself than you are at arguing with a typical asshole from NYC. I'll get a good night's sleep tonight. How about you? So lie to yourself if u want, but we both know what happened in this thread. Shhh...we can keep this a secret. If there's anything I'm good at it's keeping other people's secrets. Ask around. :)


whyterabbyt wrote:
Education doesn't mean shit when you can't even use a bit of common sense eh?
Must be a shame when you don't have either, then.
:)



Here's what a good education buys you these days...oh and no snappy "Well get a refund" responses. Half of you do nothing but sit around harping on shit you can't afford so apparently you couldn't afford much an education yourselves.

But anyway...



whyterabbyt wrote:
Lunatique wrote:for some reason it seems it's still treated as an after thought and an underdog by the music-making crowd. Why is that?
I guess it must be because everyone (absolutely everyone on the planet, ever) has to first prove its not an underdog, otherwise it clearly is.

Oh, and because engaging in trying to prove its not is admitting that it is.

And because the 64-bit version can't Rewire to a 32-bit application, since 64-bit Rewire doesnt exist.

And, finally, because it doesnt have features that every individual on the planet universally acknowledges as setting it apart from the rest.

And dont forget kids; If you dont answer the initial question, no matter how dumb it is, then anyone who asks it over and over again is teh winnar.


You just spent a good amount of time stating you wouldn't answer such an illogical question. You wanna know why you answered it?

Because...

Deep down you knew if you didn't the side who clearly had the decency to entertain the question regardless of its logic would win. Am I wrong? Have you ever debated outside of an internet forum? Ever watch a game show? Ever watch a presidential debate? It doesn't matter how silly the question is presented...


You don't answer. You lose. You look like a coward. Or worse. You look uneducated. Ah but you ARE educated. You're not a coward though. You're also...

Not Teh Winnar. You didn't answer Lunatique's question respectfully. You simply answered to take yet another short sighted ass stab at me.



Honestly I thought you'd be better at this shit. I guess you don't exactly come with any features that separates you from the others either. :hihi:
Last edited by neverfall on Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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herodotus wrote:
neverfall wrote:
Let's not play stupid now. It's not as if Sonar hasn't played the role of Cubase's little bitch since Day 1 right?.....
Are you really an adult?

I mean, I have seen you write about what you do for a living, and I know that most such people are adults, but your behavior makes it kind of hard to believe.


See now what does this accomplish? I'll entertain your thoughts with an answer and a few questions.


What adult...or child would go on a music production forum and "brag" about being a college recruiter? Shit I mean it's not like I'm claiming to bust out tracks for Miley Cyrus. Come on now. :lol:


Yes I am an adult...I'm an adult who understands that while it may sound crude to YOU...Cakewalk has had to play submissive to both Steinberg's ASIO and VST protocols. I'm surprised Sonar didn't come packaged with a gimp ball and a "safe word" written alongside the serial. If you'd feel more comfortable sugarcoating history and claiming that Cakewalk simply gave the users what they wanted being low latency drivers and access to VST instruments then so be it. You can call it whatever you want...


But...

What exactly do you call grown men who throw hissy fits when you present a valid question about the status quo of their favorite sequencer?

Yes...I do expect you to completely ignore this question or answer it as best feminine as you can.
Remember kids...Everything is impossible until it's actually done.

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There's no need to fear, Underdog is here.

When wannabes in this world appear,
And make the beats that we should fear,
And deafen all who dare to hear,
The cry goes up both far and near for
Underdog,
Underdog,
Underdog,
Underdog.

Speed of turtles, roar of ground loop,
Fighting all dropouts and stutter
Underdog, Underdog.

When in this world the blogs we read
Of those old hosts are filled with greed
And milk along to keep what you need.
To right this wrong with blinding speed goes
Underdog,
Underdog,
Underdog,
Underdog.

Speed of turtles , roar of ground loop,
Fighting all dropouts and stutter
Underdog, Underdog.

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To change the course of this thread slightly, if you had infinite funds to buy a new DAW setup including any sample libraries etc, would you stay with your current PC or MAC? Would you stay with your current host? This question will test your true loyalty to what you currently use or own. Or you will jump ship based on "the grass is greener on the other side - but just as difficult to cut".

I've just wasted the last six months moving from one DAW to the other only to return to the one I originally purchased. I could have been making music during this time rather than playing Mr. Engineer.

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Too bad I have to go to bed with a cliffhanger, but at least I will sleep with the knowledge that tomorrow morning I'll be eating my oatmeal and reading a couple more pages of this epic thread.

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neverfall wrote:And with a comeback of that magnitude I'll have to believe you're shit outta ammo.
With a comeback of that magnitude I'll have to believe you're used to shooting blanks.
I'm sure that DENIAL has the same meaning in your language as in my own. You can see what you choose to see. Acknowledge whatever you feel comfortable with...
You might want to read that out loud to yourself a few times.
That clue sealed it for you ddn't it? If it didn't...
I think you need to revisit the meaning of the word 'clue'.
See here you are on that cop out shit. I knew this was coming. SO WHAT if I won this argum
ent? If it didn't bother you then why even acknowledge that a win/loss scenario even exists?
Another reading comprehension faux pas on your part. Me saying that you think that you'll win the argument doesn't mean anything except that I'm saying that you think you'll win. It acknowledges nothing else.
This is ONLY the internet but for the record...I won't keep you from lying to yourself. If you honestly feel that you've won then you're much better at lying to yourself than you are at arguing with a typical asshole from NYC.
As I say, I was pretty sure that you thought this was about winning something.
You just spent a good amount of time stating you wouldn't answer such an illogical question. You wanna know why you answered it?
I think you'll find that I didn't answer it. If you look hard enough.
Deep down you knew if you didn't the side who clearly had the decency to entertain the question regardless of its logic would win.
Actually, deep down inside, it was obvious your argument only required 4 lines of refutation, paltry as it was....
Am I wrong?
Clearly.

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Okay Bunny. As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question. Well shit it isn't like I forced you to.

Well yes I did.


You sure did stick around waiting for that response though didn't ya? Please tell me you're not in Europe. Please...be somewhere in Missouri. If you're up waiting around for some internet guy to make a snappy comeback...


Wow. You will NOT be getting a good night's sleep.
Remember kids...Everything is impossible until it's actually done.

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neverfall wrote:As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question.


still on that 'initial question' fixation I see. its kind of telling if all you can do is repeat that phrase over and over again.

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whyterabbyt wrote:
neverfall wrote:As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question.


still on that 'initial question' fixation I see. its kind of telling if all you can do is repeat that phrase over and over again.

loops....hello...keep up Sean :hihi:
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neverfall wrote: You sure did stick around waiting for that response though didn't ya? Please tell me you're not in Europe. Please...be somewhere in Missouri. If you're up waiting around for some internet guy to make a snappy comeback...
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neverfall, several features were already listed that Sonar was the first to have. Still to this day, nobody has the MIDI controller mapping it has. It has about the most flexible audio quantize features out there. It was the first to take on many different technologies, such as full 64 bit(not summing engine, but full program), Vista support, customizable MIDI tools(won't find that in Cubase or anywhere else), probably the best comping of any program I've ever used, the first to have MIDI input quantize, the first to support WASAPI, etc.

It's not like the features aren't there. Others were mentioned earlier. There is plenty to like about Sonar. A few of the features now have others that have done the same, but some of it is still unique.

By the way, even Tracktion beat Cubase to features like freeze and inline MIDI editing. I guess Cubase sucks, eh?

I don't know what answer you're looking for, but if you don't see any of what I have said, you are just being a troll here. And why? We get that you don't like Sonar, but what purpose is there to IGNORE the things that have been said to you?

Relax man! Sonar is a tool, just like Cubase. And there is plenty to like about both. No need to fuss about it, right?

Brent
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Hink wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
neverfall wrote:As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question.


still on that 'initial question' fixation I see. its kind of telling if all you can do is repeat that phrase over and over again.

loops....hello...keep up Sean :hihi:

LoL! Please tell me this guy's name isn't Sean.


Now THAT would be funny.




So on to other news...Sonar isn't really respected as a pro app eh?
Remember kids...Everything is impossible until it's actually done.

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