Why is Sonar still treated like the underdog?

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As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question.

still on that 'initial question' fixation I see. its kind of telling if all you can do is repeat that phrase over and over again.

loops....hello...keep up Sean

LoL! Please tell me this guy's name isn't Sean.


Now THAT would be funny.




So on to other news...Sonar isn't really respected as a pro app eh?

two points, one your comment about his name suggests that you are saying he's not worthy of the name. I question how one could make judgments of worthiness based on opinions on music software. He is passionate about his opinions and defends them in his way. (a way that isn't much different than your own, sorry)

second about Sonar, over the years the word "pro" has lost it's impact because of it's over use. Now it's just a fluff word used for sales, you don't need to tell pros what is professional. It would seem that if they are professionals they already know.

So take out the word pro and I have to say if Sonar wasn't well respected there wouldn't be so much passion in discussions like this one.

[JerGoertz]

EPIC . F**KING . THREAD

My spidey-sense is tingling...

[neverfall]

I don't know what answer you're looking for, but if you don't see any of what I have said, you are just being a troll here. And why? We get that you don't like Sonar, but what purpose is there to IGNORE the things that have been said to you?

Relax man! Sonar is a tool, just like Cubase. And there is plenty to like about both. No need to fuss about it, right?

Brent

Don't try playing illiterate. You know EXACTLY what point I'm making. A question was asked...why is SONAR still treated like the UNDERDOG?

I asked...what exactly separates SONAR from the others? I've read the answers. I accept the answers, but they don't answer the INITIAL QUESTION.


My point? I've NEVER SAID Sonar was worse than Cubase or any other pro app. What I did say is that Cakewalk has NEVER done anything to truly make Sonar stand out from the rest. It has never taken any other position other than a professional home user program...but the fact remains that Cubase and Logic already cornered that market. It's like Presonus jumping in the ring and we're NOT supposed to say, "Well what do you bring to the table?"


Are you SERIOUSLY...no f**k that...

Are you REALLY going to argue that Cakewalk has not spent YEARS...I mean at least a DECADE and some change playing catchup to CUBASE AT LEAST? Are you really prepared to argue this? Don't play stupid. ALl you have to do is ANSWER ONE QUESTION...


Did Cakewalk play catch up for a lengthy period of time? If so...then why would you expect it to be so easy to rid itself of that stigma of remaining in Cubase's shadow? If it helps any...I personally don't see much of a difference other than a dongle when choosing between the two. I don't know much about either of their latest versions...but you'd be an ASS to argue that Cakewalk no longer has that stigma. IT IS THE UNDERDOG...perhaps not in features but in public perception.


Why is it so hard for so many of you to understand this? That's why I'm asking what has Cakewalk done to distinguish Sonar from the others? I don't want to read 64-bit bullshit. I want to KNOW...I want to READ...your honest opinion of why you feel it's NOT THE UNDERDOG if that is in fact how you feel.



What the f**k are you talking about with this trolling nonsense? I asked a simple question and a few ho's couldn't take it. The OP asked a simple question and you CONVENIENTLY ignored him. So let me spell this out for you. If you can name particular features or tell me exactly what Cakewalk has done to position itself outside of Cubase's shadow then PLEASE SHARE....


Otherwise you're just proving that it IS THE UNDERDOG.

[djanthonyw]

EPIC . F**KING . THREAD

No, here's an epic thread: http://forums.filefront.com/spam-forum/ ... -ever.html

[neverfall]

As long as you did exactly what I wanted you to do which clearly was to acknowledge the man's initial question.

still on that 'initial question' fixation I see. its kind of telling if all you can do is repeat that phrase over and over again.

loops....hello...keep up Sean

LoL! Please tell me this guy's name isn't Sean.


Now THAT would be funny.




So on to other news...Sonar isn't really respected as a pro app eh?

two points, one your comment about his name suggests that you are saying he's not worthy of the name. I question how one could make judgments of worthiness based on opinions on music software. He is passionate about his opinions and defends them in his way. (a way that isn't much different than your own, sorry)

second about Sonar, over the years the word "pro" has lost it's impact because of it's over use. Now it's just a fluff word used for sales, you don't need to tell pros what is professional. It would seem that if they are professionals they already know.

So take out the word pro and I have to say if Sonar wasn't well respected there wouldn't be so much passion in discussions like this one.

For starters...Hi I'm Shawn.


Second I don't play into that pro shit either, but you'd better admit that judging by the feelings resonating through this thread...someone...quite a lotta people still feel some way about whether their personal fave is considered PRO.

Maybe I'm using the wrong term.

They're feelings concerned about whether Sonar is considered "respected". As if we should be surprised by any of this coming from a DAW thread.



Edit: I swear I overlooked you using "respected". Yeah we're on the same wavelength here.

[koolkeys]

But it hasn't spent years "catching up". Only in certain areas, just as Cubase had to catch up with others. Your entire argument is off. Just because you don't have the ability to comprehend that, is not my problem. YOU asked what was unique about Sonar. What would make somebody want to choose it. YOU asked that. And you got an answer. Using big swearwords and repeating the same old drabble won't get you anything but responses like you're getting.

I can CAPITALIZE random WORDS to get MY point ACROSS, but that DOESN'T help a THING.

The answers you got are EXACTLY why it's not an underdog. All the features that have been listed for you, are great reasons. Nobody is having problems understanding this except for you.

Brent

[Stupid American Pig]

USA! USA! USA!

[neverfall]

But it hasn't spent years "catching up". Only in certain areas, just as Cubase had to catch up with others. Your entire argument is off. Just because you don't have the ability to comprehend that, is not my problem. YOU asked what was unique about Sonar. What would make somebody want to choose it. YOU asked that. And you got an answer. Using big swearwords and repeating the same old drabble won't get you anything but responses like you're getting.

I can CAPITALIZE random WORDS to get MY point ACROSS, but that DOESN'T help a THING.

The answers you got are EXACTLY why it's not an underdog. All the features that have been listed for you, are great reasons. Nobody is having problems understanding this except for you.

Brent

If this isn't some lying ass shit. So you're telling me that SOnar didn't seriously upgrade its midi capabilities as a response to users constantly compairing it to Cubase?

So if I do a search....after "Lost" of course researching when Sonar finally adopted VST I guess I'll discover that from day 1 Sonar could use VST instruments?




This is gonna get fun.

[jsp1979]

Considering how it's turned out, does anyone else find it ironic that the thread was started by a member named Lunatique?

Maybe it's inspired the discussion.

--JSP

Btw, Koolkeys answer on the bottom of page 8, ftw.

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why you feel it's NOT THE UNDERDOG if that is in fact how you feel.

The answer to that is simple, they have a good customer base. Some of those are cubase users others aren't. Obviously they have different reasons for using Sonar, it's called personal taste, perception, different needs and if it is the underdog who cares?

In fact one might question which makes for a better investment, the hungry underdog or the complacent best. In my years I have watched countless companies in every market fall from the top just because there is no place to go from the top except down. Add in that consumers are fickle and the question of an underdog is just a matter of how you see it. If you stand on your head the bottom is on the top

For the record, I have Sonar 5 but I prefer Samplitude which I have as well. I also have FL, AA2.0, and eXT. I don't see Sonar as an underdog but it's not my host of choice.

Now I'm going back to playing the clown

[Hink]

USA! USA! USA!

why do you keep saying that? You're in Texas

[Stupid American Pig]

I full support the US and A and its War of TERROR. HI FIVE!

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I full support the US and A and its War of TERROR. HI FIVE!

[1-2-Many]

How can Sonar be the "Underdog" when there's Tracktion to kick around?

[koolkeys]

But it hasn't spent years "catching up". Only in certain areas, just as Cubase had to catch up with others. Your entire argument is off. Just because you don't have the ability to comprehend that, is not my problem. YOU asked what was unique about Sonar. What would make somebody want to choose it. YOU asked that. And you got an answer. Using big swearwords and repeating the same old drabble won't get you anything but responses like you're getting.

I can CAPITALIZE random WORDS to get MY point ACROSS, but that DOESN'T help a THING.

The answers you got are EXACTLY why it's not an underdog. All the features that have been listed for you, are great reasons. Nobody is having problems understanding this except for you.

Brent

If this isn't some lying ass shit. So you're telling me that SOnar didn't seriously upgrade its midi capabilities as a response to users constantly compairing it to Cubase?

So if I do a search....after "Lost" of course researching when Sonar finally adopted VST I guess I'll discover that from day 1 Sonar could use VST instruments?




This is gonna get fun.

Where did I say that? I said customizable midi tools, which Cubase STILL doesn't have. When it upgraded, it upgraded BIG.

I never said that Sonar was first to everything. You asked what things would make somebody choose Sonar, and what things it did that others couldn't. You got your answer.

Brent