Redline Reverb!

[bmanic]

.. and here is a vocal example. I wouldn't call it metallic. Actually I managed to get some pretty cool sounds. In the end it's a very usable doubling effect that would sit well as a special effect on any vocals.

Vocal snippet through redline reverb

Dry original can be downloaded here

Cheers!
bManic

[fceramic]

@bmanic
That sounds more like redline reverb I got.
Not sure what ttoz did wrong, cause I find it really easy to get some nice sounds.

[djanthonyw]

Here's a vox snippet of "Make Me Beautiful" by Three Faces through Redline (+ The Glue) (Wet + Dry):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5guhe5

'Dry' is also with The Glue for comparison.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[kmonkey]

And just out of curiosity: since many users have commented on the R66/Redline Reverb engine sounding very "Lexicon like" in nature, what is your opinion of the various Lexicon (hardware) reverbs? Just trying to understand you better.

-- dj!

I think they are saying that because 99% of your default presets are based in combination with names from Lexicon. I am sure if you for example named programs as Kurzweil reference most of people would say it is indeed sounding very kurzweil like.

That does not mean this is bad or good. Just opinion since you re asking.

[bduffy]

Here is a little clip with me tweaking the Redline Reverb in realtime. I would hardly call this metallic! The "sizzle" that goes on is definitely not very resonant, it's just "sizzling" nicely in my opinion. Sure it's not the smoothest reverb but like was already earlier established, that's not a marker of quality. Grain can be and often is good.

Drumloop tweaked through Redline Reverb

Note: the reverb was set to a permanent 85% wet which is pretty impressive in my opinion. Dry snippet of the loop in the beginning (1 bar).

I'll create a vocal example as well.

Cheers!
bManic

Hey, love that drumloop!

Sounds fine to me. I mean, I just don't hear anything that puts in the bottom range of reverbs. Seems quite flexible, really.

I sure would like to hear this "Space Designer" in action, and what's so "unmetallic" about it.

[Sequent]

When I see those kinds of things it tends not so much to impress me as to set off the alarm bells. Still, I try to always be positive and perhaps if nothing else it might indicate a direction of intent while putting this together - which can be helpful too.

As I had mentioned before, I'm not so convinced about the PCM91 reference and the other references. At the same time, I haven't taken the time to do a 1:1 test in the cases where I am in a position to do so. Perhaps I may look into that this weekend if I have time. But really, I don't necessarily care about that.

What matters to me is the gut impression, what my ear tells me, and how responsive this reverb has been to the kinds of things I've tried to do with it so far. So far, I've been really happy with the demo. In terms of referencing a Lex unit, I will say (and said) that it kind of reminds me of a PCM70 and some of the inherent characteristics that I've come to associate with those units. On that comparison, I am actually working off of memory, so my particular comparison reaction may or may not be valid. But I will say that the things I am able to do with the Redline and the way I am able to work with it is indeed very Lex-like (at least to me!) so in that I am well satisfied with what 112Db has given us!

Btw... when we were commenting on ttoz's comment about the Lexicon being black and him therefore not knowing what he was talking about, and that it's really blue. Well, if you want to get technical... you guys were both right. If you want to get technical, and not counting the display, I would venture to say that in terms of color area, it's about half black and half blue. It varies a little with model, but I think he was talking about the PCM90.

Anyway... blue/black... this particular discussion is about red!

And just out of curiosity: since many users have commented on the R66/Redline Reverb engine sounding very "Lexicon like" in nature, what is your opinion of the various Lexicon (hardware) reverbs? Just trying to understand you better.

-- dj!

I think they are saying that because 99% of your default presets are based in combination with names from Lexicon. I am sure if you for example named programs as Kurzweil reference most of people would say it is indeed sounding very kurzweil like.

That does not mean this is bad or good. Just opinion since you re asking.

[morelia]

Thinking of Australia... aren't you folks always stuck paying some pretty high prices for things?

At present Redline Reverb is AU$137, so yes the price we pay is always higher, and usually by a considerable amount. The EURO is even worse.

[zerocrossing]

This reverb is really, really good. I put it up next to some of the big boys and in ways I liked it better. Very nice. Also your monitor plug in? What witchery is this?! BURN IT! It must be the devil! It made me forget I was wearing headphones and I wondered why my ears were hot!

[scottkane]

Dj why 36 $/36 euros? 36 US$ = 27.4725275 Euros
Maybe you talked about it but I didnt see...

[dj! (112dB)]

Dj why 36 $/36 euros? 36 US$ = 27.4725275 Euros
Maybe you talked about it but I didnt see...

Short answer: we have to charge 19% VAT within Europe. Long answer: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 48#3547748

I think they are saying that because 99% of your default presets are based in combination with names from Lexicon. I am sure if you for example named programs as Kurzweil reference most of people would say it is indeed sounding very kurzweil like.

Your reasoning makes sense, but it was the other way around actually. People used to compare the Rev-6/Space Master and R66 sound to the Lexicon, which is why we decided to go bold and reference the Lexicon in the Redline Reverb presets. So that's no it.

Also your monitor plug in? What witchery is this?! BURN IT! It must be the devil! It made me forget I was wearing headphones and I wondered why my ears were hot!

So you discovered my true identity--no matter. Just sign on the line, please! (Now you probably realize why it's the Redline series.)

Take care,

-- dj!

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[bmanic]

Here is a little clip with me tweaking the Redline Reverb in realtime. I would hardly call this metallic! The "sizzle" that goes on is definitely not very resonant, it's just "sizzling" nicely in my opinion. Sure it's not the smoothest reverb but like was already earlier established, that's not a marker of quality. Grain can be and often is good.

Drumloop tweaked through Redline Reverb

Note: the reverb was set to a permanent 85% wet which is pretty impressive in my opinion. Dry snippet of the loop in the beginning (1 bar).

I'll create a vocal example as well.

Cheers!
bManic

OMG that is just awful, there is one or two acceptable ones but the rest are awful, hence what i meant by easier to be bad then good. My take on this is now over and I want to forget about this topic and stop posting cause now it's simply obvious, i wasnt doing anything wrong per se, what others think is good including youself is different to what i think sounds good so after all that it realy was just a matter of different taste. Ok. Peace.

Sure there are some weird ones during the tweaking but that was my whole point. It starts out with a pretty decent room sound in my opinion. It actually fits within mixes very well but I'll have to try this thing on some real work and see how it goes. I'm still convinced that it's not metallic at all. There is no real resonance buildup, only wobble and grain. This bodes well for mixes.

@bduffy: Your loop? Spacedesigner is the built in impulse reverb in Logic. Of course it can be much MUCH more "dense" and "Realistic" because it uses impulses. But you cannot modulate impulse reverbs (unless you run Nebula which is why it sounds much better) which makes them static. This is usually fine but tends to buildup when you need several reverbs within a busy mix, unless you EQ the hell out of it.

@ttoz: it seems it's just about different taste in the end. Your metallic is anotherman's grain-without-resonance so we all expect different things from reverbs. Sure this redline reverb doesn't cover all bases and I wouldn't use it as my go-to reverb, but it'd be yet another color in the toolbox.

Cheers!
bManic

[bduffy]

@bduffy: Your loop? Spacedesigner is the built in impulse reverb in Logic. Of course it can be much MUCH more "dense" and "Realistic" because it uses impulses. But you cannot modulate impulse reverbs (unless you run Nebula which is why it sounds much better) which makes them static. This is usually fine but tends to buildup when you need several reverbs within a busy mix, unless you EQ the hell out of it.

Oh...I thought he said "Reaktor" somewhere. Must've been dreaming.

Yeah, that static-ness is the reason I avoid IR Reverbs. Except for that damned Altiverb... Mind you, I never got to use that too much. Could lack in real world mixing situation, like you describe.

[Sequent]

I think the resonance buildup is also a by-product of how you program it. That's something you have to watch on a hardware verb as well.