Rhino for EBM/Industrial?

[MikeLeuz]

Hi gang,

Very close to purchasing Rhino, but I would like to hear some samples of it in a darker EBM/Industrial setting.

Any users here using Rhino in that fashion? I'd love to hear a quick sample if you are!

The demos I've heard so far are great, but all have a fairly happy tone... I want to hear Rhino in a darker/nastier setting.

Thanks,
Mike

[pummel]

what do you mean by "darker"?

if you want an [pulsating] atonal edge, that is easy with the pitch envelop and/or the user defined additive wave tool; i think several of the demo presets illustrate this.

if by darker you mean "deep throated", that is easy also -- pick a preset, and add (or change) one of the osc to be a sin wave pitched down -12 or -24 from the fundamental; then add it to the output stream with volume to suite your taste. if you want it to have a bit of deep growl, then self-modulate the sin sub osc (in the FM mod matrix). you can also use this sub osc to modulate other oscs, with varying degrees of success.

[wrench45us]

i can't remember if rhino's demo version can load banks or not, but if it can there are a lot of banks on the Big Tick site as well as Tim Conrardy's three banks at patcharena.com.

I'd start with Tim's bank #2. Tim does some great space patches, but as we know there are some darker reaches of space. Then maybe the ambient pads from the Big Tick site.

I have no trouble making dark music with rhino, minor and diminished, occasionally sus 4. But somehow my sense is a lot of the music makers above 120 bpm use z3ta. rhino imho needs some time to spread out. rhino is also a bit of a bear to program.

maybe it's not that it's so much of a bear to program, but it's a real bear to program it as well as Tom Conrardy, Daniel and Big Tick do. I don't have that same sense of that large a gulf with other synths.

that's just my opinion. rhino is my favorite synth for its sound, not for its ease of programming.

I've been playing a lot with the free microTera (which is 1/6 of Tera 2.0) It seems to me VirSyn has gone the extra mile or two in making programming usable sounds easy and enjoyable.

[Stupid American Pig]

just because the demos are bright and happy, it is just as capable as anything else of producing very dark , eerie and supercomplex sounds. If you want harser/darker, start tweaking the mod matrix, and use both filters to your advantage.if I get a wild hair I will see what I can come up with...

[Kriminal]

Very close to purchasing Rhino, but I would like to hear some samples of it in a darker EBM/Industrial setting.

... I want to hear Rhino in a darker/nastier setting.

Download the demo and make some then!

[e-modic]

@mikeleuz: EBM/Synth Pop - that´s why I bought Rhino many month ago. You always need more then 2-3 OSC´s when doing this NIN stuff or big hit, glassy, noisy bombast sounds like Apoptigma did. This all can be done with Rhino -> yes, Rhino can be very evil.

Ahh, and don´t foget the presets/banks, there are some up now, try the newer one because the old are maybe to much old school. Give them a try!

ingo

[foosnark]

I almost want to go on a "Rhino can do EBM" crusade and build up a bank and some songs with it... it'd be a great exercise for getting to know it.

My music is tending toward a hybrid electro-VGM-EBM-ambient sound, if that makes any sense at all and so far Rhino has mostly been a support synth. I feel it's capable of more. Pads definitely, and some great digital sounds, and wicked things with the tempo-synched envelopes.

[tconrardy]

How about RHINO SPEAKS on my bank2 ( or was it bank 1?? ) .... now THATS a wikid sound!

as people have put it here, you can get some very industrial type sounds. As I recall on my bank 2, I did a lot of atmospheres that put you in another world ( not talking about the algorithmics). Also the leads can be be very grinding as well. It depends how you play it it.

Tim