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insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:50 am

ok. i think i'm really starting to get it. here is my theory.

14, 15, and 16 are sent by the strum plate. they're always C notes, with their "actual" pitch determined by the "weird" pitch bend. the actual pitch wheel is sent on channel 1.

routing all this to the same channel causes 4 conflicting pitch bend messages... to make all this actually work would be tricky. i have some ideas though.

in the midi file you sent before, i also noticed that the strum plate notes were overlapping. that might cause hanging notes, this at least can be corrected.

i could be totally wrong about all this of course...

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:51 am

insertpizhere wrote:or use the new version with a "save" button that i just uploaded: http://thepiz.org/xt/midiMonitor.zip

You rock!

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:57 am

runagate wrote:Hmm I'm not explaining this right.

I shall capture midi. Oddly I assumed til I tried it that that's what the midimonitor update did, though in retrospect that's silly. I'm having on-again-off-again wifi thus the snatchy attention to this.

maybe i'm silly too, but i thought about adding that feature to it as well. i didn't have time, but i might do still do it. i have to figure out how to handle the timing, but i think i already did it, basically, with midiLooper...

Jebus, you rock piz. I talked about you at an informal speech about the new world of digital music online today.

that is very flattering.

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:02 am

shamann wrote:
insertpizhere wrote:or use the new version with a "save" button that i just uploaded: http://thepiz.org/xt/midiMonitor.zip
You rock!

cool, three times in one thread... i'm actually starting to believe that i rock.

experimental.crow · Post by **experimental.crow** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:24 am

apropos of little , in this thread , i will not be satisfied , until i hear you do a rendition of ' old rugged cross ' ...

http://www.qchord.net/docs/sounds.htm

tessa ...

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:49 am

here's a new build of midiMonitor that can save a midi file. specify a ".mid" extension to save a midi file, otherwise it's a text file like before.

http://thepiz.org/xt/midiMonitor.zip

dougsyo · Post by **dougsyo** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:57 pm

insertpizhere wrote:here's a new build of midiMonitor that can save a midi file. specify a ".mid" extension to save a midi file, otherwise it's a text file like before.

http://thepiz.org/xt/midiMonitor.zip

You've heard it before, piz, but you rock!

Doug

RSP-atron · Post by **RSP-atron** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:31 am

I'm so glad someone it trying to figure this out. I've been trying to find a way to do this for the last 8 years. Really. i don't know a lot about Midi, but here are the things I've noticed. You are correct about the strumplate data. all the notes and chord information is being done via pitch bend. I also have a OM-300 (the omnichord released before the Q-chord) that transmits 4 midi channels, I never had a problem recording midi information via Logic. the strumplate came through perfectly. However there was no pitch bend wheel and the strumplate notes were all on one midi channel.

One interesting note: If I connect the Q-chord to a Yamaha QY-70 all the midi information is interpreted properly, however if the QY-70 is connected to a computer, the midi Data from the q-chord will note record properly, while any data from the QY-70 comes through fine.

I hope some one can figure this out. the Q-chord would make a great controller.

Thanks

RSP

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:35 am

Is the QY-70 a GM module, RSP? Qchord works fine with GM, which is why it doesn't with anything else.

Suffice it to say since you found this thread I'll try some more to figure this out tomorrow.

RSP-atron · Post by **RSP-atron** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:22 pm

runagate wrote:Is the QY-70 a GM module, RSP? Qchord works fine with GM, which is why it doesn't with anything else.

Suffice it to say since you found this thread I'll try some more to figure this out tomorrow.

Yes it is GM.

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:42 pm

just send me a midi file of it (saved with midiMonitor) and i can probably make a midi plugin that will sort it all out.

RSP-atron · Post by **RSP-atron** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:28 pm

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Hello all

here are two file

1. is the data going into Midi Monitor

http://www.betatronstudios.com/Q-Chord/ ... orDATA.zip (http://www.betatronstudios.com/Q-Chord/Midi_monitorDATA.zip)

2. Is a split channel file in Logic

If you look in the hyper editor the ptich bend information is in channels 14 through 16, but it's not doing anthing.

the other thing that is strange is that the note length defaults to 1/32 on the strumplate notes.

http://www.betatronstudios.com/Q-Chord/ ... _LOGIC.zip (http://www.betatronstudios.com/Q-Chord/Q-Chord_LOGIC.zip)

Hope someone can figure this out,

thank you

R. Scott

insertpizhere · Post by **insertpizhere** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:54 pm

i can't use either of those files... what i need is a standard midi file. i'm sure you could export one from Logic.

(the "midiMonitor" i referred to is the plugin from me, linked a few posts up, but i haven't made an AU version that could be used in Logic)

RSP-atron · Post by **RSP-atron** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:46 pm

Oooopppps Sorry

I'll get you one in a few minutes

yardko · Post by **yardko** » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:18 am

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insertpizhere wrote:i can't use either of those files... what i need is a standard midi file. i'm sure you could export one from Logic.

(the "midiMonitor" i referred to is the plugin from me, linked a few posts up, but i haven't made an AU version that could be used in Logic)

I ran into this thread with the same problems. So far I can only get the QChord -namely the strumplate- to work with midi when I use it going into my QY-70 (which is kind of neat being able to pick three different sounds for the three channels the strumplate gets transmitted on) and also with certain soundfonts (I think they have to be GM compatible?) just being streaming in Midi-Ox. Otherwise you get a stream of C notes.

How I'm envisioning the QChord being useful for my crappy midi sequencer (and then possibly routed to VST's or other things) is if there was a way to take the pitch bend information that gets sent when you change the chords and actually transpose the notes on the channels to their real notes. I've never heard of or been able to find any info on this.

Merging the three channels to one isn't an issue, either I can figure out how to do that in Midi-Ox (filtering out the extra channels was easy enough, esp the grating ch 10) and route with midi yoke and also when I record to my crappy PC midi sequencer it takes all the midi channel note info and plays it to one instrument. I realize I could probably use a better midi sequencer but everything else works just fine for me aside from trying to get the Qchord strumplate notes.

It wouldn't matter to me if the pitch bend wheel functioned while recording, that's more a live effect or something I would sequence.

So you experts can help I captured the strumplate with all other channels filtered out in midi-ox to a text midi file and converted it to a .mid with mf2t both zipped here: http://www.surrealistflamebait.com/qchord.zip (http://www.surrealistflamebait.com/qchord.zip)

What I did was turn the QChord on, switched to the strumplate only mode which I later realized didn't matter with everything else filtered and started playing. I changed the presets a couple times and right near the end I also hit the actual pitch bend wheel just to cover the bases. When you see a couple pitch bends in a row is where I am hitting two of the chord buttons to create a 7 or augmented chord, it only works when you press them quickly together but looks like it registers a couple pressed.

If you guys need any more data to help like a log of all the channels or anything let me know. I'd really like to figure this out be it some kidn of rexx script or vst midi filter that I would probably route from midi-ox to audiomulch to run the vst to my midi sequencer. Well at any rate I'm hopeful..

Suzuki QChord - help filtering the midi output into my DAW