KVR Audio

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:00 am

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:28 am

fandango wrote:bduffy: Hiya. Basically, you can customise how each tool works, so I've basically set up the Draw tool to cover everything so I don't need the others. It's set up rather like FL Studio, in fact.

In general, you have your hand hovering over Ctrl/Alt/Shift. Using custom combinations you can switch between any tool functionality you like, but you stick with the same tool so you're not hunting for an icon, or needing to open a context menu to pick a new tool etc.

Perhaps some people work faster with other methods, but the FL/Sonar/eXT system just feels very efficient to me and it would be awesome to have that in Cubase. The only modifier I'm aware of is "Alt" to switch between the Select and Draw tool.

In fact Cubase has a very intelligent way of handling this.
The select tool automatically changes to other functions depending on context, in addition to the freely configurable modifiers and keycommands.
And the right-click toolbox is optional, most folks I know prefer the standard right-click menu.
Ymmv,
susiwong

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:31 am

In fact Cubase has a very intelligent way of handling this.
The select tool automatically changes to other functions depending on context, in addition to the freely configurable modifiers and keycommands.
And the right-click toolbox is optional, most folks I know prefer the standard right-click menu.
Ymmv,
susiwong

+1 i agree with you mate

rob

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:35 am

I probably should have added nothing is as good that it cannot be improved, this is a very important aspect for workflow and any additional option will be welcome here, no matter who had it first.
Cheers,
susiwong

geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:53 am

fandango wrote:1. I am NOT looking forward to the piano roll. imho, it has become severely dated given new ideas about functionality introduced by newcomes like FL Studio, eXT, SONAR and (who'da thunk it) Reaper. It's still based on the old "pick your tool" paradigm, rather than letting one tool do everything via a selection of modifiers. In Cubase, you can basically switch between a pen and a select tool. You have to go to the little mini toolbox popup or toggle between tools.

You should also check the "Key Commands" menu. All the tools are laid out on the keys 1-9. You can also use F9 and F10 to cycle through the tools.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:30 am

I've used Cubase since the good ol' vst 5.1 days. I own a number of other sequencers, but on at least one occasion while stuck in rush hour traffic, I've had a conversation with myself extolling the virtues of Cubase.

Since then, I've changed my scheduling in order to avoid rush hour traffic.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:00 pm

There are so many good things about Cubase in general, and especially Cubase 5, this thread could go on for awhile.

If I had to list a reason why someone wouldn't want to use Cubase (and there are many, each has his own) one reason would be that it has so many midi and audio features that it's just way more than most people need.

Anderton said it best about these daws with so many features. One guy will only be using 30% of it's features while another guy will also only be using 30% but it will be an entirely different 30%.

For many it's just overkill. If you've ever seen the hardcopy of the manual you'll understand why so many newbies come to the forum asking questions that are answered in the manual. It's a pretty deep application.

So... search the pdf instead?

I'll add one more "pro" to the mix. Midi logical editor. Very powerful feature that had me at "hello".

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:39 pm

LawrenceF wrote:I'll add one more "pro" to the mix. Midi logical editor. Very powerful feature that had me at "hello".

One of the best kept secrets.

Let me add there's a project logical editor, too.
Cheers,
susiwong

proletkult · Post by **proletkult** » Mon May 04, 2009 3:38 pm

For me the biggest sign that Cubase has landed has been the change of atmosphere at Cubase.net. There was a time it would have put the most ardent suicide forum to shame(that's only a slight exaggeration). Now the complains are much more sedate and balanced by the 'I love Cubase' threads.

I was about to move to Logic before C4 arrived as I could not have raved about it like I can now (I started with VST on Atari). The work flow and instability left me really depressed and producing work way below standard. Now I jump for joy e very time I switch it on.

The theory about using 30% of the programme's capability is probably true but as I get into C5 it's definitely getting closer to 60/70%. It is a joy to use and venture into. I think Cubase is really coming of age and versatile enough to satisfy any body's style of working.

No you can't group tracks or solo segments the way you can in Logic but these points are really scraping the barrel of sceptiscism. ALL the DAWs are fighting to get the lead in the market and, for once, we are the winners. I hope Studio One is fantastic because it will mean everybody raising their game even more.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:26 pm

You know what I don't like about Cubase? Really, really, really long startup times - even on a modern, fast machine. I mean, seriously: over one full minute for me to get working! Or is that just because I have a Waves bundle?

Midi_Glider · Post by **Midi_Glider** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:30 pm

bduffy wrote:You know what I don't like about Cubase? Really, really, really long startup times - even on a modern, fast machine. I mean, seriously: over one full minute for me to get working! Or is that just because I have a Waves bundle?

10-15 secs here (with no shortage in plugins)

Perhaps its a Mac thing?

Best,
midi.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:34 pm

Midi_Glider wrote:
bduffy wrote:You know what I don't like about Cubase? Really, really, really long startup times - even on a modern, fast machine. I mean, seriously: over one full minute for me to get working! Or is that just because I have a Waves bundle?
15 secs here (with no shortage in plugins).

Perhaps its a Mac thing?

Best,
midi.

Could be. It goes very fast, then hangs on "VST 2.x Manager" for a loong time. It was fast when I first got it, and I'm pretty sure it's Waveshell, because it's forced to scan, like, 43 plugins every time. Do you have Waves plugins?

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:43 pm

bduffy wrote:
Midi_Glider wrote:
bduffy wrote:You know what I don't like about Cubase? Really, really, really long startup times - even on a modern, fast machine. I mean, seriously: over one full minute for me to get working! Or is that just because I have a Waves bundle?
15 secs here (with no shortage in plugins).

Perhaps its a Mac thing?

Best,
midi.
Could be. It goes very fast, then hangs on "VST 2.x Manager" for a loong time. It was fast when I first got it, and I'm pretty sure it's Waveshell, because it's forced to scan, like, 43 plugins every time. Do you have Waves plugins?

Same here (rather ....

) fast startup times.

I dont use Waves plugs in my own studio because of the dongle thing (have enough with Syncrosoft) but one of my close friends uses both Cubase and Waves and he has a very long start time too. Cant say for sure its because of the Waves plugs, but the strange thing is that he suspected this too ......

LtZ

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:47 pm

Lotuzia wrote:
bduffy wrote:
Midi_Glider wrote:
bduffy wrote:You know what I don't like about Cubase? Really, really, really long startup times - even on a modern, fast machine. I mean, seriously: over one full minute for me to get working! Or is that just because I have a Waves bundle?
15 secs here (with no shortage in plugins).

Perhaps its a Mac thing?

Best,
midi.
Could be. It goes very fast, then hangs on "VST 2.x Manager" for a loong time. It was fast when I first got it, and I'm pretty sure it's Waveshell, because it's forced to scan, like, 43 plugins every time. Do you have Waves plugins?
Same here (rather .... ) fast startup times.

I dont use Waves plugs in my own studio because of the dongle thing (have enough with Syncrosoft) but one of my close friends uses both Cubase and Waves and he has a very long start time too. Cant say for sure its because of the Waves plugs, but the strange thing is that he suspected this too ......

LtZ

Ah cool (or not, rather!). Yeah, Waves really pushes one's patience with not only dongles and convoluted update schemes, but that bloody Waveshell system. I feel a firey email complaint coming on...

Anyway, sorry for the OT, Koolkeys. Did you sell Samplitude yet?

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:50 pm

susiwong/geroyannis: Sorry, I wrote a lot but didn't really explain why I preferred the other method. I use the Draw tool about 80-90% of the time. With modifiers, when I let go of of keyboard I'm always back at the Draw tool. With Cubase, I'm not popping in and out of Draw mode, I'm basically hunting for the tool (looking along the number keys for the right button) and then hunting for the draw tool again. It sounds so immensely trivial (and it probably is! :lol), but some of us just get stuck in our ways. I'll doubtless get used to doing things the old fashioned way.

In fact, I have one of those configurable Nostromo gaming pad things which I guess I could configure for Key Editor shortcuts. Might make things a bit easier rather than trying to remember which numeric key is the slice tool, which numeric key is the glue tool, etc. etc.

quick question: Can you stretch a selection of notes in Cubase? (i.e., not just lengthen the notes in realtime by dragging, but alter their start times in proportion?) small flash anim of what I mean:- http://www.flyingislands.co.uk/upload/o ... retch.html

Impressed with Cubase- am I crazy? What impresses you?