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LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:17 am

hibidy wrote:that photo should be blue and not green.......

Blue is a paid upgrade...

Hey Brent, what kind of drum sample players do you have with software and hardware? Reason I ask is that you will probably enjoy the Cubase drum editor. My studio (VSTi's, sound modules, keyboards and drum machines) is one big drum sampler. Very cool.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:30 am

I use a mixture of Jamstix, BFD2, and Kontakt currently. I also play some parts in and program from scratch using either Jamstix or BFD2(which has a very full featured pattern editor of it's own).

Brent

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:39 am

I very much hope that Steinberg will consider supporting VST Note Names for the drum editor (and for Beat Designer too). They certainly have the facilities for it. It gets mentioned on the Cubase forums fairly often.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:46 am

fandango wrote:I very much hope that Steinberg will consider supporting VST Note Names for the drum editor (and for Beat Designer too). They certainly have the facilities for it. It gets mentioned on the Cubase forums fairly often.

Well, it's not like they don't know about the concept! They kind of invented it!

Also, even VST Expression can display the articulation on each individual note that it's playing! So if they can do THAT, then surely they can add note names.

I don't particularly need the note names though since I use other tools most of the time for my editing.

Brent

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:53 am

Yeah, it's just that I like to create drumkits from scratch from a wide selection of samples and I've been kinda spoiled by Sonar/Reaper/FL Studio where it doesn't matter where you map samples or what you call them in the VSTi (e.g., C3_"clunk"/G#5_"zing"/Eb3_"beep"/A5_"wet fish slap"), the host's piano roll/drum editor instantly updates with the custom name without any need for drum maps or pre-made presets.

Can't wait to have a usable score view though.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:13 pm

koolkeys wrote:I use a mixture of Jamstix, BFD2, and Kontakt currently. I also play some parts in and program from scratch using either Jamstix or BFD2(which has a very full featured pattern editor of it's own).

Brent

Cool. The Cubase drum editor allows you to send individual notes to different midi destinations from a single track so it's pretty cool for that sort of thing if you have midi patterns you use and you want to use sounds from all over the place.

I use Beat Designer for creating my drum patterns (from scratch) now though and yeah, the note naming thing is an irritation. I also wish Beat Designer could send to multiple instrument destinations like the drum editor, that would be cool.

Anyway, you'll have lots of things to explore over the next few weeks.

Midi_Glider · Post by **Midi_Glider** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:11 pm

Well, actually you can rout diferrent notes to multiple destenations from beat designer..simply define it from the drum map setup screen and Beat Designer will use these custom routings settings.

I use it all the time.

Best,
midi.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:18 pm

Midi_Glider wrote:Well, actually you can rout diferrent notes to multiple destenations from beat designer..simply define it from the drum map setup screen and Beat Designer will use these custom routings settings.

I use it all the time.

Best,
midi.

Holy shit! I forgot about that screen. Thanks. I load drum maps I have but I rarely edit them. I'd completely forgotten about that.

That's the same as the drum editor setup. Cool. You just made my day.

If anyone is wondering what he's talking about... pic here.

newageinc · Post by **newageinc** » Wed May 06, 2009 3:38 pm

I haven't read this thread, but based on the title I will say, I recently discovered Cubase SX3 about 2 weeks ago, and I'm impressed with how much my workflow has improved. I'd started sequencing on hardware with the MPC, then tried midi sequencing in Pro Tools 7 M powered. It wasn't bad, but something wasn't right with my workflow. When I became fed up with my favorite VSTs crashing under the wrapper, I decided to look into Cubase. Cubase is made for producers, Pro Tools is for mixing and mastering engineers. I was lost in the screen with Pro Tools, trying to create, mix and master at the same time, what Pro Tools was made for. Cubase keeps it so simple and I can get tracks done in no time, especially with the Play Order track for arrangements. I get so close to professional results in Cubase, well before the amount of time it takes in Pro Tools. My CPU hasn't titled at all with numerous VSTs running. The same amount of plugs would bring Pro Tools to a screaching halt under a decent dual 3.0 ghz and 3gb ram setup. I'm loving Cubase right now.

Midi_Glider · Post by **Midi_Glider** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:22 pm

Well, if your are into using MPC and like the cubase workflow in general, you really should take a look into C5...

I mean, with Beat Designer, Groove Agent 1 (with MPC import) and all the other goodies it really is a no brainer.

Best,
midi.

synthesizer808 · Post by **synthesizer808** » Wed May 06, 2009 5:56 pm

Cubase is nice, yep, I use c5 myself.

But there are some pitfalls related to the product:

*Dongle software is a turn-off.
* Cubase doesnt come with a standard sampler.
* Cubase has a hefty pricetag, not warranted by its features.
(It doesnt do more than Reaper for example, yet its price is *triple)
* No directX support.
* No audio input for vsti or vst plugins.Routing is very basic.
* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.
* Drag&Drop samples from Mediabay ONLY works on Steinberg plugins.
* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.
* Automation follows events ONLY on instrument tracks.
* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.
* Instrument tracks does NOT support multi outputs.

But Cubase is still a nice app, its strength is workflow speed

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:34 pm

It had to happen eventually...

synthesizer808 wrote:* Cubase has a hefty pricetag, not warranted by its features.
(It doesnt do more than Reaper for example, yet its price is *triple)

Wrong + Wrong.

It may not do stuff you personally need but to say it doesn't "do more" is pure nonsense. And the price is barely more than double. $225/$499. Basic math.

* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.

Wrong.

* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Automation follows events ONLY on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.

Wrong.

Look, Cubase has flaws but you probably should actually learn how to use the program before you go on the Internet telling people what it can't do and get the correct "can't do's".

You missed by a country mile here.

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:56 pm

Lawrence, you sent me a PM the other day, but I couldn't reply since you have it set to not receive PM's.

I'm VERY tired. Didn't get a good night of sleep at all. Seems I am not all better yet from being sick(it really rears it's ugly head in the middle of the night). I did receive C5 today, but I'm going to take a nap so I'm not dead tired at work. But would you mind showing me how to use the surround panner to do the sidechain thing? Either through PM or in this thread? I haven't even installed yet, so I may be able to figure it out easily. But not until I get some more sleep.

Thanks!

Brent

P.S.- Oh, and as for the post you just replied to, what a waste. I haven't even opened Cubase yet and I know that most of it was incorrect in some way.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:01 pm

koolkeys wrote:...would you mind showing me how to use the surround panner to do the sidechain thing? Either through PM or in this thread? I haven't even installed yet, so I may be able to figure it out easily. But not until I get some more sleep.

Thanks!

Brent

P.S.- Oh, and as for the post you just replied to, what a waste. I haven't even opened Cubase yet and I know that most of it was incorrect in some way.

Yeah, I don't know why people do that. There are legit things to gripe about, no need to create fake ones.

It works just like it did in SX3 and C4 before Cubase added the new VST3 sidechaining with one very minor difference. You can't assign directly to Ls-Rs pair of the quad group, but you just pan into it to get the key signal into the secondary pair of the comp.

I'll put it on a graphic and post a link.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:11 pm

LawrenceF wrote:It had to happen eventually...

synthesizer808 wrote:* Cubase has a hefty pricetag, not warranted by its features.
(It doesnt do more than Reaper for example, yet its price is *triple)
Wrong + Wrong.

It may not do stuff you personally need but to say it doesn't "do more" is pure nonsense. And the price is barely more than double. $225/$499. Basic math.

* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.
Wrong.
* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.
Wrong.
* Automation follows events ONLY on instrument tracks.
Wrong.
* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.
Wrong.

Look, Cubase has flaws but you probably should actually learn how to use the program before you go on the Internet telling people what it can't do and get the correct "can't do's". You missed by a country mile here.

This post gives me the chills . Remembers me of my examinations at college .

Impressed with Cubase- am I crazy? What impresses you?