Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[kbaccki]

Can somebody remind me what the countdown clock is for? Is that for the release of an official teaser video, an actual demonstration, the start of beta, another video of random persons watching what very well may have been images and/or video of freakishly strange sex acts as far as we know?

Random Person #1:

Random Person #2:

Random Person #3:

Me:

If I'm gonna watch a timer ticking down I damn well want to know what I'm waiting for!

[John Vulich]

I think that it's the countdown to the beta release.

And I don't think they were just any random people. I think the were random people that are supposedly well know for, I'm not sure exactly what, but I think making crap music.

[fceramic]

Who can join the beta release?

I think Record is a great product. It comes with Line6 effects, an advanced emulation of the SSL mixer, easy to use advanced time stretching and can integrate multiple Reason racks next to eachother, all this for 150 bucks is a sweet deal!

I'm sold.

[FaX]

I've noticed that there are prices for Record, by itself, and as an upgrade/bundle with Reason. One thing that really doesn't make sense to me, is how would Record be of any use without Reason, if it relies on Reason for it's effects devices?

Other than the Line 6 guitar and bass amp models and SSL style EQ and compression, are there any basic effects included? Being a closed system, without the ability to host VSTs, makes it very crippled, if not downright useless, by itself.

Which brings up the question as to why these features weren't just built into Reason as the 5.0 upgrade.

I can appreciate that they might want to keep Reason simple, for those that have no need for audio recording, but if that is the case, why not branch Reason off into 2 different versions? That would seem like a much less convoluted way to achieve the same goal.

Very strange business decisions IMO.

it's rumored to be able to use any number of nested Racks of Reason devices.
This would insinuate Combinators for both FX processing and Instruments as Well as Individual devices on there own.
Which means the B512 Vocoder , Scream, Rev7000, FX Combi's, Maelstrom, Thor etc could all be used as effects devices along with the MC Class Suite and the Line 6 Bass + Guitar Amp Models SSL Modelled Desk and EQ and so on and so forth.
This is purely speculation on my part but I would imagine that if you own a Registered Version of Reason 4 it hosts all the devices natively within Record Itself - no rewire for this purpose alone.
If the Desk is a Full SSL9000 emu with Patch Bay also it could be quite interesting.
Lastly there may be more FX in the app itself that are separate to Reason also.
We don't know how much people have been shown or exactly what is available in Record.
I would imagine Record, Recycle, Reason + Rebirth and Peter Tools would be a pretty good CPU efficient travel worthy performance and composing tool for anyone on the go with low CPU overhead and very good stability.
Probably the exact market it's aimed for IMHO.

[DRS]

If I'm gonna watch a timer ticking down I damn well want to know what I'm waiting for!

What about NOT watching it at all then?

[John Vulich]

Who can join the beta release?

I think Record is a great product. It comes with Line6 effects, an advanced emulation of the SSL mixer, easy to use advanced time stretching and can integrate multiple Reason racks next to eachother, all this for 150 bucks is a sweet deal!

I'm sold.

It does seem like a great product and a great price... for existing Reason users.

The question, in my mind at least, is does product has any real value as a standalone without Reason installed, and if not, why it just wasn't released as Reason 5.

[John Vulich]

it's rumored to be able to use any number of nested Racks of Reason devices.
This would insinuate Combinators for both FX processing and Instruments as Well as Individual devices on there own.
Which means the B512 Vocoder , Scream, Rev7000, FX Combi's, Maelstrom, Thor etc could all be used as effects devices along with the MC Class Suite and the Line 6 Bass + Guitar Amp Models SSL Modelled Desk and EQ and so on and so forth.
This is purely speculation on my part but I would imagine that if you own a Registered Version of Reason 4 it hosts all the devices natively within Record Itself - no rewire for this purpose alone.
If the Desk is a Full SSL9000 emu with Patch Bay also it could be quite interesting.
Lastly there may be more FX in the app itself that are separate to Reason also.
We don't know how much people have been shown or exactly what is available in Record.
I would imagine Record, Recycle, Reason + Rebirth and Peter Tools would be a pretty good CPU efficient travel worthy performance and composing tool for anyone on the go with low CPU overhead and very good stability.
Probably the exact market it's aimed for IMHO.

Yeah, I'm already aware of all this. There are two different prices, one for Reason users and one for people without Reason, so they are obviously expecting non Reason users to purchase it. My questions is, does it at least have reverb, delay and modulation FX built in, or will it require the use and installation of Reason for these features. If it needs Reason, then I really don't see the point in it being a separate app. IMO, a closed system DAW without these basic FX is virtually useless. If that is the case, it really should have been released as Reason 5.

Then again, maybe there is a bigger demand for DAWs that are closed systems without basic rudimentary FX processors... what do I know?

[kae]

I know, I'm being very negative here as I don't even know what will be in it. But thats how their marketing strategy leaves me thinking.

Oh no! A business with a marketing strategy! How utterly disgusting. Where are all the software developing charity organizations when you need them?

Thats the part of the post I didn't try to sound negative. I was trying to point out that when they only tell me A and nothing else, I'm left to make up my own B's (from the little I do know). I'm sure there has to be more to it, Propellerhead have always been innovative (but always left me with the feeling "aw, so close"). But from what we've seen yet there's not much new things it add if you would still have to rewire it into a DAW for processing it with external fx.

And if its able to open multiple Reason racks, does that mean you could also sequence in it or would you have to sequence each rack separately ?

[Resonant- Serpent]

Who can join the beta release?

I think Record is a great product. It comes with Line6 effects, an advanced emulation of the SSL mixer, easy to use advanced time stretching and can integrate multiple Reason racks next to eachother, all this for 150 bucks is a sweet deal!

I'm sold.

It does seem like a great product and a great price... for existing Reason users.

The question, in my mind at least, is does product has any real value as a standalone without Reason installed, and if not, why it just wasn't released as Reason 5.

It wasn't released as Reason 5 because introducing a dongle in Reason would go against everything the Props have said for years about 'no dongles!'. It really is a great plan from a marketing standpoint. They're introducing what till be a popular expansion to Reason, but the expansion takes a dongle. Therefore, most Reason users will already have a dongle, and there will be less screaming, flame wars, and gnashing of teeth over what would have been the straight introduction of a dongle onto Reason 5. And yeah, I've never seen such a limited device pushed so hard, so I was already looking for ulterior motives.

[CAPSRAWK]

i just wanted to post a happy face for all the negative ramblers in this topic, here goes, enjoy.

[vinayk]

This may be a stupid question - but can you sequence midi inside "record"?
I.e If i was working on a combined audio/midi project - would I be using two sequencers, one for audio and one for midi?? please say it aint so!

[John Vulich]

It wasn't released as Reason 5 because introducing a dongle in Reason would go against everything the Props have said for years about 'no dongles!'. It really is a great plan from a marketing standpoint. They're introducing what till be a popular expansion to Reason, but the expansion takes a dongle. Therefore, most Reason users will already have a dongle, and there will be less screaming, flame wars, and gnashing of teeth over what would have been the straight introduction of a dongle onto Reason 5. And yeah, I've never seen such a limited device pushed so hard, so I was already looking for ulterior motives.

Yeah, you're probably on the right track. I guess maybe there must be something to this "Swedish Pride" thing after all. It just seems like it would have been MUCH easier to say, to their customers... "Look, I know we said no dongles and no audio but we've reconsidered our positions on these things for one reason or another, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..."

This just all seems so strange and convoluted.

[JeffSanders]

I'd love to beta test this. Must be closed to current Propellerhead users, right?

[kae]

This may be a stupid question - but can you sequence midi inside "record"?
I.e If i was working on a combined audio/midi project - would I be using two sequencers, one for audio and one for midi?? please say it aint so!

Or if you're using multiple Reason racks, would it be one for audio and X for midi ?

[kbaccki]

If I'm gonna watch a timer ticking down I damn well want to know what I'm waiting for!

What about NOT watching it at all then?

Then why have it?

Maybe I like to log into the interweb a few times a day, see where the counter is... are we there yet?... are we there yet?... are we there yet?...