Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[Trancit]

I'm so sorry, but I'm just not impressed. At least not this time. Recording guitar, bass and vocals? Timestretching? C'mon, Live has been doing that for quite some time (and a few others too)

Oh, well, back to Reaper

Timestretching in Live is a joke...the only possibility is to use complex pro mode to get some good results but elastique alone doesn't have those quality ...nothing and I mean really nothing I've heard before compares to the examples I've heard from record...

This feature alone is a milestone and every penny of those 250 bucks worth...I haven't looked...what are the prices of melodyne stuff only to get a part of good timestretching??? And don't forget, you have to study something like melodyne only to get it work...

For me record rules...

[fgimian]

Hello,

just two small sequencer questions:

- Does it have linked clips like in most other DAWs?
- Does the MIDI editor has a mute button for single events?

I don't want to miss each feature. That's (mainly) why I use Cubase as the MIDI editor and Reason only as a synth rack.

Guido

This feature is available in Reason 4's sequencer so I assume it will most definitely be there for audio and midi clips.

Ghost clips are not in Reason 4, so not sure about those.

Also, there is no x64 version mentioned, so I'm very curious if that's included or available.

Thanks for the reply.

I don't mean the mute button for clips, but for single MIDI events inside clips. I think Reason 4 does not have it. Unfortunately

Ah yes, sorry, I misunderstood, and you are right, R4 doesn't have that

[koalaboy]

I'm so sorry, but I'm just not impressed. At least not this time. Recording guitar, bass and vocals? Timestretching? C'mon, Live has been doing that for quite some time (and a few others too)

Oh, well, back to Reaper

Timestretching in Live is a joke...the only possibility is to use complex pro mode to get some good results but elastique alone doesn't have those quality ...nothing and I mean really nothing I've heard before compares to the examples I've heard from record...

This feature alone is a milestone and every penny of those 250 bucks worth...I haven't looked...what are the prices of melodyne stuff only to get a part of good timestretching??? And don't forget, you have to study something like melodyne only to get it work...

For me record rules...

Cool - although I couldn't find the screenshot with warp markers ?

[fgimian]

I'm so sorry, but I'm just not impressed. At least not this time. Recording guitar, bass and vocals? Timestretching? C'mon, Live has been doing that for quite some time (and a few others too)

Oh, well, back to Reaper

Timestretching in Live is a joke...the only possibility is to use complex pro mode to get some good results but elastique alone doesn't have those quality ...nothing and I mean really nothing I've heard before compares to the examples I've heard from record...

This feature alone is a milestone and every penny of those 250 bucks worth...I haven't looked...what are the prices of melodyne stuff only to get a part of good timestretching??? And don't forget, you have to study something like melodyne only to get it work...

For me record rules...

Cool - although I couldn't find the screenshot with warp markers ?

Same here, I'm betting it doesn't do "elastic audio". Also, I wonder if you can pitch shift clips, does the algorithm do formant shifting? .etc These are the questions I really want to find answers to along with how fades work on the arrange page

[Zargon the Destroyer]

I quite like the idea of it as a straight tape/mixer replacement, but I can't help but think the guitar sim is going to be an issue for them. Line 6 stuff seems to have fallen from favour, and obviously you can't run any other sims in it.

I'd really like to know if you can swipe comp multiple tracks simultaneously - for drum editing for example. This isn't possible in so many apps...

[v1o]

Another advantage of a closed system like reason and record is of course the ability to swap projects with other people. One can always be 100% sure that your project will play and behave exactly like it did at home. This makes a strong music sharing community easily possible and has already been proven with Reason.

I admit, I am intrigued by this much more now that I think about it.

Cheers!
bManic

That said the 400meg file that ones audio files will create wont be able to be easily shared

It would be one hell of a huge project to create a 400meg file. Like over an hour of pure audio. Reason documents and refills compress wave audio files to about half their actual size. So I think its unlikely that many projects will end being several hundred megs.

[kmonkey]

Do i understand this correctly: I will have to buy Reason and Record in order to use Reason devices in Record? How much will that cost? Why don't they just put this into Reason 5? Why two separate programs?

Why not componentize it? Users who are only into playing acoustic or electro-acoustic instruments and singing will get a dedicated tool and won't have to pay for a lot of electronic instruments they'll never need. Electronic musicians who can't sing a note or strum a chord won't have to pay for audio recording crap they don't need. Users who are into both can get both programs and enjoy the seamless integration.

The music software business is kind of unique in that everyone's trying to cram everything into everything. You don't hear this reasoning anywhere else (like, "man, why doesn't Microsoft just cram PowerPoint, Excel, Word, Access and Outlook into one giant unified application", or "why do I have to use both Illustrator, Photoshop and Flash, can't they just make it one big pile and call it Adobe Everything?"

Why are you pointing to Adobe each time? What if one company do crap policy than other is allowed to do it? Simple answer to ludwig is:

That way they are making more money for ridiculous ability *audio recording*,
Testing field for clever/hidden "we are introducing dongle" thing
That way you have finally Reason dongled but this is hidden between "new" product line...

Yes with ability to *surprise* record audio....

Nice...

[hangars liquides]

Do they mention its summing capabilities ? Would you have any information about this ? (well information is kind of pointless without testing).
To me, this is the critical point, I have stopped working with some DAWs because of the poor summing quality (loss of dynamics, poor definition in the low end, narrowing of the stereo image, digital sound, etc).
BTW it would be interesting to submit a 'summing challenge' of all the DAWs available, with the same tracks, no EQ, no compression, just adding tracks.

[LawrenceF]

It would be one hell of a huge project to create a 400meg file. Like nearly an hour & a half of pure audio.

Are you joking? A 400mb audio project is nothing. Mono 44.1 is 5 mb per minute so when you start getting into the higher sample rates it's quite easy to have hundreds of mb of audio in a project with multiple takes.

44.1 * 24 mono tracks in a 5 minute song = 25mb per track X 24 tracks. Do the math. One mono take per track of continuous "live band recording".

Then do it again at 88.2 (12 tracks) or 96k (fewer still). Then make some of those tracks stereo. Then do a second take of the tracks to double the needed disk space. Then do 10 harmonies of backing vox.

You must be joking. You obviously don't record much multi-track audio. My Cubase sessions routinely go into the GB ranges which is why I backup to DVD and not CD... many won't fit on a single 700mb CD.

This is a multitrack audio recorder right?

[adamszabo]

@ hangars liquides: I think what you are talking about is percieved effect. I mean isnt 1+1 = 2 on all calculators? Let is be texas instruments, or casio or whatever.

[Amberience]

Do they mention its summing capabilities ? Would you have any information about this ? (well information is kind of pointless without testing).
To me, this is the critical point, I have stopped working with some DAWs because of the poor summing quality (loss of dynamics, poor definition in the low end, narrowing of the stereo image, digital sound, etc).
BTW it would be interesting to submit a 'summing challenge' of all the DAWs available, with the same tracks, no EQ, no compression, just adding tracks.

[skipkent]

The promo video is very well done. Funny and informative!

Whatever the pundits say, this product will be a winner.

[headquest]

Yes I agree.

One question I have (... @ blank/diod ...?) -

With Record + Reason, will it be possible to use the ReGroove mixer within Record?

[headquest]

Regarding VST support, as a VST user I too would miss this. And I agree with the point often made that the best VST instruments and effects are now better than anything Reason offers.

But... most VSTs don't offer the sort of routing capabilities of Reason rack devices. So in terms of the Reason/Record working paradigm, perhaps there would be something of a mismatch anyway...

[v1o]

It would be one hell of a huge project to create a 400meg file. Like nearly an hour & a half of pure audio.

Are you joking? A 400mb audio project is nothing. Mono 44.1 is 5 mb per minute so when you start getting into the higher sample rates it's quite easy to have hundreds of mb of audio in a project with multiple takes.

44.1 * 24 mono tracks in a 5 minute song = 25mb per track X 24 tracks. Do the math. One mono take per track of continuous "live band recording".

Then do it again at 88.2 (12 tracks) or 96k (fewer still). Then make some of those tracks stereo. Then do a second take of the tracks to double the needed disk space. Then do 10 harmonies of backing vox.

You must be joking. You obviously don't record much multi-track audio. My Cubase sessions routinely go into the GB ranges which is why I backup to DVD and not CD... many won't fit on a single 700mb CD.

This is a multitrack audio recorder right?

400MB is roughly 40 mins of 44.1Khz stereo. When compressed by halve it becomes 80 mins of audio. I doubt that there'd be many people composing tracks more than 30 mins long.

If you want to use 24/96 then you pay the penalty of larger file sizes. 400MB will get you about 20 mins of 24/96 compressed.