Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[nuffink]

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Why would you assume that? Reason and Record are two completely different products with different purposes.

No they're not. Have a good listen to the second of the videos. Record loads all your old Reason projects completely independantly. Record is Reason with extras.

[christianmusicmaker]

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Heh... Reason 5 could be years away from now but then again...

[CANE CREEK]

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Why would you assume that? Reason and Record are two completely different products with different purposes.

Like the people who first bought reason and still expected reaktor to get updated ?

Propellerhead have made sure reason works with Record so i would assume they will concentrate with Record from now on , i hope im wrong.

Don't forget Record isnt being officially released for 5 months , do you think after that they are going to work on Reason 5 ? i doubt it i guess they will be enhancing Record instead adding audio editing features etc that it currently doesn't have.

I have a feeling the announcment of Record has destroyed any future developement of Reason , i hope im wrong.

[TristezaOrange]

What about my time-stretching question bee-yotches?

[mellotronaut]

Hell,
I would pay good money to get the SCREAM distortion as a VST Plug. Props have tons of talent and ideas. But keeping their universe closed is just silly to me. Yeah, Reason had less bugs and never crashed. Big shit. I still abandoned it for Cubase years ago and never looked back.

trying to armchair quarterback the motives of a company is futile.

Correct. However, it does a fantastic job at making the workday fly by faster

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

and thats "revolutionary"? seriously?

I also bet if this wasn't by the Props, many of you wouldn't have interest in it.

you simply can't look beyond your own nose (same with Anthony).

[Ubiety]

Why are people bitching about the "Ignition Key"? If you buy Record, you get the Ignition Key. Clearly no problem there. You don't have to use the Ignition Key except to open your saved projects. If you don't want to do that, just use "Internet Authorization" -- i.e., keep your computer connected to the Internet (like 99.9% of you do 99.9% of the time already) when using Record; put your Ignition Key in a Sentry for sound mind. If you're using Record live at a gig, use Ignition Key to launch your performance sets, then put it safely away in your pocket, or someplace else that's safe. If WiFi is available where you gig, no need to bring the Ignition Key at all. Tether your laptop to your GSM/GPRS enabled mobile PDA for an Internet connection, if you have to.

Ignition key is like a non-dongle dongle -- if that makes any sense. Seriously, dongle-phobes, you have every option to not use Ignition Key except for the briefest of moments. There are so many ways to use Record without a dongle, that it's not even funny. If you feel that buying Record, which comes with Ignition Key, makes you feel like a criminal -- which makes no sense at all -- then don't buy the software. (And using a cracked version should not have you feeling like a legit user.)

[djanthonyw]

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Why would you assume that? Reason and Record are two completely different products with different purposes.

No they're not. Have a good listen to the second of the videos. Record loads all your old Reason projects completely independantly. Record is Reason with extras.

Record can do this because it has Reason's engine built into it, but you don't have access to all of Reason's devices for making changes to a Reason project. I'm guessing that the Propellerheads added that functionality because even they know how shitty Rewire is.

[diverdee]

The fact that it's developed/to be released by the props is a factor for sure - because they have a proven track record of developing apps taht do what they say on the tin, are remarkably stable (i've never crashed Reason) & insanely CPU efficient - and for us Reason users the integration is seamless.
As for the props long term viability, they appear to have been & continuing to do ok, they have fairly loyal customers.

[zion7]

Hell,
I would pay good money to get the SCREAM distortion as a VST Plug. Props have tons of talent and ideas. But keeping their universe closed is just silly to me. Yeah, Reason had less bugs and never crashed. Big shit. I still abandoned it for Cubase years ago and never looked back.

trying to armchair quarterback the motives of a company is futile.

Correct. However, it does a fantastic job at making the workday fly by faster

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

and thats "revolutionary"? seriously?

I also bet if this wasn't by the Props, many of you wouldn't have interest in it.

you simply can't look beyond your own nose (same with Anthony).

I looked beyond my nose. I saw a program in the Props video that can record a guitar and do timestretching live the way Ableton does it. WOW!

[djanthonyw]

you simply can't look beyond your own nose (same with Anthony).

I look past my own nose everyday... at my beautiful Cinema Display with Logic on it.

[Ubiety]

The fact that it's developed/to be released by the props is a factor for sure - because they have a proven track record of developing apps taht do what they say on the tin, are remarkably stable (i've never crashed Reason) & insanely CPU efficient - and for us Reason users the integration is seamless.
As for the props long term viability, they appear to have been & continuing to do ok, they have fairly loyal customers.

Nicely put. I don't understand that Bozo-logic that some seem afflicted with. Because they aren't impressed, or are not using a product, then the manufacturer of said product must surely be going out of business.

[nuffink]

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Why would you assume that? Reason and Record are two completely different products with different purposes.

No they're not. Have a good listen to the second of the videos. Record loads all your old Reason projects completely independantly. Record is Reason with extras.

Record can do this because it has Reason's engine built into it, but you don't have access to all of Reason's devices for making changes to a Reason project. I'm guessing that they added that functionality because even the Propellerheads know how shitty Rewire is.

Watch this video from 7:25 onwards...

Record is crippleware. You uncripple it and turn it into a full blown version of Reason4 with recording and a new mixer/sequencer by simply having a copy of Reason on your hdd.

Like I said...

It's an interesting policy.

Since it's a stand-alone product all of Reason's synths, samplers and effects are coded into it. Though you need to have a copy of reason installed to access them.

If you're a Reason user this is, in effect, Reason 5 - Reason with recording and an updated sequencer/mixer. It seems like a good value upgrade to me.

Propellerheads may have more trouble selling Reason to Record users in the future. Reason might look to those buyers like an expensive dongle to make the generators and effects work with a bit of content (samples and patches) thrown in.

Not that I expect this'll make any more impression than the first time I posted it.

[bpoteat]

Why are people bitching about the "Ignition Key"?

I don't think it's hard to understand at all. Imagine if every app you used required this kind of interaction. You may think it's trivial but if you use other software besides just that one, it would become a huge hassle. Many software companies, not just music sw, who previously used dongles have gotten away from them for a reason - they are just impractical for users.

And like I said, I have a ton of hardware connected and now have to make sure to always have an open input for that thing. Just another hassle.

[zion7]

The fact that it's developed/to be released by the props is a factor for sure - because they have a proven track record of developing apps taht do what they say on the tin, are remarkably stable (i've never crashed Reason) & insanely CPU efficient - and for us Reason users the integration is seamless.
As for the props long term viability, they appear to have been & continuing to do ok, they have fairly loyal customers.

Nicely put. I don't understand that Bozo-logic that some seem afflicted with. Because they aren't impressed, or are not using a product, then the manufacturer of said product must surely be going out of business.

not exactly. Its just that when you hype yourself up with something as REVOLUTIONARY and you show a video of a guitar being recorded and timestretched like Ableton, it makes one question their business model. If that's the best they could come up with to stay relevant, I am not impressed. You can praise the Props all you want. Facts are they used to be kings. By 2009, they are becoming less and less relevant. This product isn't going to change that. And I am not speaking as a fanboy, I have nothing but respect for the Props. Reason was my go-to program for years. Shame.

[Ubiety]

Why are people bitching about the "Ignition Key"?

I don't think it's hard to understand at all. Imagine if every app you used required this kind of interaction. You may think it's trivial but if you use other software besides just that one, it would become a huge hassle. Many software companies, not just music sw, who previously used dongles have gotten away from them for a reason - they are just impractical for users.

And like I said, I have a ton of hardware connected and now have to make sure to always have an open input for that thing. Just another hassle.

If you have a ton of hardware connected to your workstation, then your workstation is likely not mobile. Therefore, you have even more incentive to simply use the Ignition Key -- or not. The maths on that is not hard.