Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[bpoteat]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

You don't derive your income from the development of an application that is being actively pirated.

Oh, yes I do. As a matter of fact one of my applications is a much pirated app. And I still think a dongle is a ridiculously short-sighted approach. It uses up valuable inputs, it requires additional action by the user, and the software can STILL be hacked & pirated (just not as easily).

As one who has been tasked with the licensing technology used on multiple products I DID evaluate dongle-based mechanisms: they were only slightly more secure than key-based systems and customers don't want the hassle.

I agree with the other guy. I can't believe that anyone would take up for a developer that use a dongle for their security.

[keyman_sam]

This is fantastic news! This could be the new Energy-XT3, instead developed by a more realistic dev!

I think of props as making the most rock solid, crash-free program out there. Their reason behaves like hardware!

This is what i think their daw would be : A very simplistic midi-focused, but audio supported DAW which integrates reason for those who have it.

i.e. say you have reason and this daw, you could add tracks that reference reason's instruments like NN-XT and pretend as if it were a VST while infact NNXT is running in th ebackground.

Then you would have a modular page where you can connect things and do shit with it...awesome!

This is what I predicted last week. This is what exactly came out.

Now am I a kvr-prophet or what? I request my status be changed to KVR-Prophet to my prophecy coming true!

[ehdyn]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

You don't derive your income from the development of an application that is being actively pirated.

It uses up valuable inputs

So why not just require it on startup?
After verification it can be removed.

Certain apps wouldn't exist without the programmer and artists being paid.

[koolkeys]

I agree with the other guy. I can't believe that anyone would take up for a developer that use a dongle for their security.

Because once again, it's not about the protection. It's about getting the best tool for the job. If I think a tool is the best for what I need, I'll buy it regardless of protection. I care more about quality and workflow than copy protection.

Of course, I don't use a Mac laptop so I'm not restricted to two lousy USB ports.

Brent

[justin3am]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

I do, it's called a BlackBerry. They were nice enough to make one that fits in my pocket.

[spaceman]

This is fantastic news! This could be the new Energy-XT3, instead developed by a more realistic dev!

let this statement be a lesson to you all..

you may think it all makes sense, but just remember it probably doesn't

[bpoteat]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

You don't derive your income from the development of an application that is being actively pirated.

It uses up valuable inputs

So why not just require it on startup?
After verification it can be removed.

Certain apps wouldn't exist without the programmer and artists being paid.

UGH! YES I KNOW. As you just read in that post, I AM ONE OF THEM - and opted not to use a dongle! It is a hassle. Plain and simple. There are thousands of software companies who have done just fine without using dongles. You don't NEED dongles to get paid for your software.

I don't want to have to keep up with a separate piece of equipment to run my software. So, do you guys really think that ALL software should have dongles? Or are there some companies that get a pass on it? You want to have a dongle in every time you start Windows just to make sure it is legal? Oh, you gotta switch it out now to run Word? How about the other apps you use for music? Oh, I meant to run Ableton Live, gotta switch that dongle out now. Oh yeah, I wanted to run FL in rewire, put that dongle in now too. No more inputs? Take out the E-Mu. Crap it's gotta reinitialize when I plug-it back in. Oh NO! I can't find my Live dongle. Crap.

Jesus, I am baffled. Utterly baffled that this argument even exists today. This argument ended in the late 90s when nearly all software developers stopped using dongles. It is insane to require customers to keep up with tons of small little pieces of equipment for all software. "Oh, really - it's just one app" you say. No big deal. But why give THEM special privileges and not all other developers?

Honestly. Just say NO to dongles.

[koolkeys]

Ya know what baffles me? How so many people get their panties in a wad about something that has nothing to do with what the plugin does or how effective it is. Ok, don't use dongled software. Doesn't mean that it doesn't make sense for others.

As I've said multiple times, you focus on the copy protection, and I focus on the tools. THAT baffles me.

To each his own.

Oh, and there isn't a separate dongle for each app. Multiple licenses go on a single dongle.

Oh, and some of the most successful software around these days uses dongles. Not "everyone" did away with them, and many who use them HAVE been quite successful, more successful than many. I guess that would be because other people are also choosing the tools they need over fighting a copy protection battle.

Brent

[Jeremy_NSL]

I wasn't real happy to hear about the dongle either. But realistically, my DAW is connected to the net all the time. So I don't need the dongle unless I use Record on my laptop. It would be very nice to only require it during startup though...

[zion7]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

You don't derive your income from the development of an application that is being actively pirated.

It uses up valuable inputs

So why not just require it on startup?
After verification it can be removed.

Certain apps wouldn't exist without the programmer and artists being paid.

UGH! YES I KNOW. As you just read in that post, I AM ONE OF THEM - and opted not to use a dongle! It is a hassle. Plain and simple. There are thousands of software companies who have done just fine without using dongles. You don't NEED dongles to get paid for your software.

I don't want to have to keep up with a separate piece of equipment to run my software. So, do you guys really think that ALL software should have dongles? Or are there some companies that get a pass on it? You want to have a dongle in every time you start Windows just to make sure it is legal? Oh, you gotta switch it out now to run Word? How about the other apps you use for music? Oh, I meant to run Ableton Live, gotta switch that dongle out now. Oh yeah, I wanted to run FL in rewire, put that dongle in now too. No more inputs? Take out the E-Mu. Crap it's gotta reinitialize when I plug-it back in. Oh NO! I can't find my Live dongle. Crap.

Jesus, I am baffled. Utterly baffled that this argument even exists today. This argument ended in the late 90s when nearly all software developers stopped using dongles. It is insane to require customers to keep up with tons of small little pieces of equipment for all software. "Oh, really - it's just one app" you say. No big deal. But why give THEM special privileges and not all other developers?

Honestly. Just say NO to dongles.

Well the Props don't mind putting in a new dongle since you're not supposed to use Reason with other plugins and VSTs. In their mind, Reason + Record is all you need

[Ubiety]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

If a dongle is the most important feature of a piece of software for you, so be it.

I'm not arguing in favor of a dongle -- I simply pointed out that since Record comes with a dongle, it's absolutely stupid and nonsensical and moronic and idiotic to complain about the fact that it comes with one -- especially when one has purchased the software based on the software's merits.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but a dongle, especially in the case of Record, is not a feature of the software. The dongle is a feature of the copy protection. I could understand your dislike of Propellehead's newest copy protection scheme, if you were looking to buy some new copy protection -- and if that's the case then fine. Otherwise, if you or any others were looking to buy some new Propellerhead music software, then the focus on the copy protection is well beside the point -- especially in the case of Record that doesn't even fully require the dongle to be used, if it is to be used at all. Which it doesn't.

[bpoteat]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

If a dongle is the most important feature of a piece of software for you, so be it.

Ok. I think most of us get that having to punch yourself in the face isn't a FEATURE of the software, just something you have to put up with, but I do know that it sure as hell better be REALLY good software to require the hassle of keeping up with a dongle every time you take your machine with you somewhere to play.

So, I guess the point is our feature to hassle ratio might be a bit lower than yours.

[bobbybland]

So when's the app going to be available? Who gets to beta test it? How is this handled? I'm interested in checking out their SSL emulation's vs. Uad and Waves.
After seeing this thing though,I really appreciate what a full DAW can do..

[ericj23]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

so says the mac owner

[ehdyn]

I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

You don't derive your income from the development of an application that is being actively pirated.

It uses up valuable inputs

So why not just require it on startup?
After verification it can be removed.

Certain apps wouldn't exist without the programmer and artists being paid.

UGH! YES I KNOW. As you just read in that post, I AM ONE OF THEM - and opted not to use a dongle! It is a hassle. Plain and simple. There are thousands of software companies who have done just fine without using dongles. You don't NEED dongles to get paid for your software.

I don't want to have to keep up with a separate piece of equipment to run my software. So, do you guys really think that ALL software should have dongles? Or are there some companies that get a pass on it? You want to have a dongle in every time you start Windows just to make sure it is legal? Oh, you gotta switch it out now to run Word? How about the other apps you use for music? Oh, I meant to run Ableton Live, gotta switch that dongle out now. Oh yeah, I wanted to run FL in rewire, put that dongle in now too. No more inputs? Take out the E-Mu. Crap it's gotta reinitialize when I plug-it back in. Oh NO! I can't find my Live dongle. Crap.

Jesus, I am baffled. Utterly baffled that this argument even exists today. This argument ended in the late 90s when nearly all software developers stopped using dongles. It is insane to require customers to keep up with tons of small little pieces of equipment for all software. "Oh, really - it's just one app" you say. No big deal. But why give THEM special privileges and not all other developers?

Honestly. Just say NO to dongles.

No one like dongles man. But we like quality product.
The FACT of the matter is that large talented development houses have been impacted by piracy.
Many bright minds have tried to get around it and come up with novel solutions so then end user is not inconvenienced. We have appreciated their attempts. Are there any methods that remain unbroken?
The answer has not arrived yet and you know it.
Where is this panacea that you speak of?
Are we talking quantum encryption with a D-Wave?
Please, point me to your form of theft protection. I'm sure many developers would be ecstatic to hear about it.
I've heard Urs has a screen that melts, is he going to propagate his successful method among the wider development community?

You stated that dongles waste ports, which is why I pointed out that it could be used for startup purposes only and then removed.
Also, a dongle could contain a USB port on one end of it as some of them do.

What have you developed?