KVR Audio

John Vulich · Post by **John Vulich** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:05 pm

LawrenceF wrote:Kinda like if you lose this thing...

... Digi won't give you another one. Can you even buy it by itself or do you have to buy the software again also for $200+?

At least the Digi Micro, of which I own one, has additional functions other than being a copy protection device. It's a soundcard that vastly improves the abysmal sound quality of my Macbook Pro. That was the main reason I bought one.

Strangely enough, I have yet to lose mine, or my 8 gig memory stick, USB mouse transmitter, iPod Nano, or car keys. Perhaps the solution to this dilemma, is for certain people to try and behave like responsible adults instead of absent minded, irresponsible, drug addled children that misplace things all the time.

bobbybland · Post by **bobbybland** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:10 pm

John Vulich wrote:
Budbud wrote:Why do so many people seem to enjoy being so negative and cynical? Just because YOU don't see a grand or ground breaking tool, that doesn't mean that it won't be just the thing for someone else.
I think that in this case, a big part of the negative reaction was predicated by an extremely overhyped and obviously staged teaser video that is a complete insult to the target audiences intelligence...

Bingo!

DRS · Post by **DRS** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:16 pm

Budbud wrote:It's a GOOD thing that there are an abundance of DAWs on the market not a BAD thing! If YOU don't see anything in a particular DAW, then don't buy it. But why the need to trash talk it? I just don't get that. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

I can't wait to see more from PreSonus and their upcoming Studio One DAW! Let's rejoice in our CHOICES instead of trashing software companies for...um...creating new software. No one is FORCING YOU to use it or buy it, so just chill and live and let live!

Your whole post sums it all up to me. In the end, what we get is more choices, and that's the most important thing, IMHO.

I think that some people choose to spend too much time complaining instead of making music with the software they already have.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:25 pm

ericj23 wrote:
vanpet wrote:so I got it right. It just records audio. And does nothing else. For 299€...

now i understand the "WOW!" reactions on the videos. (as an alternative the MS Recorder application is in Start menu > Accessories )
jesus you need glasses

tell me when the microsoft recorder gets an SSL emulation and high quality timestretch

my impression is that it is not an SSL emulation, but rather a lookalike...

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:34 pm

ehdyn wrote: Propellerheads are going to be fine because they've invented technology that is going to have all of the DAW's not just looking over their shoulder but begging for a chance to license the tech.
This doesnt just make all timestreching efforts before it look ancient.
It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.
Because of the extreme malleability of the hybrid data format you no longer need the flexibility that MIDI previously afforded you.

I thought they used an existing stretching algorithm?

How would they put midi on the sidelines?????

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:38 pm

nuffink wrote:Record is Reason with extras.

If you do not own Reason Record will load Reason projects?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:44 pm

Cryogenic wrote:
John Vulich wrote:Funny, Ableton seems to have overcome these concerns. They have both a built in interface component for plugins and a separate window.
Call me when Ableton overcomes the workflow concern.

Live 8

lordvader48 · Post by **lordvader48** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:46 pm

"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:50 pm

pdxindy wrote:
nuffink wrote:Record is Reason with extras.
If you do not own Reason Record will load Reason projects?

No.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:51 pm

djanthonyw wrote:I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...

Lot of people get married...

kreeper_6 · Post by **kreeper_6** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:54 pm

lordvader48 wrote:"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.

It's really pathetic.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:58 pm

pdxindy wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:I'm suprised that there are actually people that stick up for and prefer dongles. I wonder if they also voluntarily walk around with a ball and chain attached to their ankle...
Lot of people get married...

There are very good reasons why some people prefer to use a dongle over some other forms of copy protection like challenge/response.

The reasons (very logical reasons) have been voiced many times.

A. Even if my Internet connection is down I can still launch my daw on any system no matter what.

B. I get more installations via dongle than the available challenge response licenses and I don't have to ask anyone to cross a certain limit.

C. If you're a musician with a good relationship with a pro studio (or 4) you can install your products there for 100% compatibility with your home projects. You only need bring your dongle and project files. This also goes for your buddy's home computer where you collab sometime etc, etc.

Many more reasons with the main one being independent free will to decide what we like or don't like.

You shouldn't be surprised to find (in this world) large groups of people who disagree on most anything.

One man's ball and chain is another man's emancipation.

pough · Post by **pough** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:01 am

Budbud wrote:Why do so many people seem to enjoy being so negative and cynical? ... Our brains are wired differently.

That's an important point to remember.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:01 am

djanthonyw wrote:
Record can do this because it has Reason's engine built into it, but you don't have access to all of Reason's devices for making changes to a Reason project. I'm guessing that the Propellerheads added that functionality because even they know how shitty Rewire is.

From what i gather you do have access to all reason devices for making changes to a reason project within record.

ehdyn · Post by **ehdyn** » Tue May 12, 2009 12:04 am

pdxindy wrote:
ehdyn wrote: Propellerheads are going to be fine because they've invented technology that is going to have all of the DAW's not just looking over their shoulder but begging for a chance to license the tech.
This doesnt just make all timestreching efforts before it look ancient.
It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.
Because of the extreme malleability of the hybrid data format you no longer need the flexibility that MIDI previously afforded you.
I thought they used an existing stretching algorithm?

How would they put midi on the sidelines?????

No, they created a new algorithm which is superior to previous attempts.

One of the main uses of MIDI today is to retain flexibility when creating a song. Correct?
This new format from Propellerheads makes audio so malleable that many musicians will not have to use MIDI for the track creation process any longer.

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads