Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[pdxindy]

Propellerheads are going to be fine because they've invented technology that is going to have all of the DAW's not just looking over their shoulder but begging for a chance to license the tech.
This doesnt just make all timestreching efforts before it look ancient.
It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.
Because of the extreme malleability of the hybrid data format you no longer need the flexibility that MIDI previously afforded you.

I thought they used an existing stretching algorithm?

How would they put midi on the sidelines?????

No, they created a new algorithm which is superior to previous attempts.

One of the main uses of MIDI today is to retain flexibility when creating a song. Correct?
This new format from Propellerheads makes audio so malleable that many musicians will not have to use MIDI for the track creation process any longer.

That is cool that they made a new and improved algo... (however, I have never heard an algo that does not introduce some artifacting)

However, it would in no way replace midi for me. I do not use midi to keep the ability to change the tempo, but rather to adjust notes, or play back some controllers which control synth parameters after I have played the notes, etc etc...

[keyman_sam]

A combination of very smart marketing and props' excellent reputation as software kings will make this product a huge hit, i have no doubt. Had they released this as reason 5 (which it really is, please don't fool yourself), it wouldn't have gotten much attention.

Releasing it as a whole new platform gives them the oppurtunity to open to people who have never heard of Reason, nor are looking for it. They just want to get garageband, and hey guess what - there's a new kid in town and they want to check that out.. Plain simple.


My idea for integrating VSTs for Reason is this : Adopt a closed VST system just like receptor. i.e. you tell a small list of popular VST companies to make exclusive "ReCord-compatible VSTs" so that you can insert them as record instruments and not as VSTs. why? because the company will have to go through some rigoruos process to make sure it doesn't throw any errors or break record in any manner whatsoever. i.e. it is guarenteed to be 100% stable.

So, imagine having kontakt within Record, but the interface is completely different because NI went through the trouble to make a specific ReCord-compatible (and thoroughly tested version of that) instrument.

[pdxindy]

After looking at all of the Prop stuff, I still don't see support for third party plugins. Am I wrong? Did I miss something?

No doubt, this app will be just what some have been hoping for, but as for being a truly independent DAW, ready to compete in the DAW marketplace... I don't know.

I'd buy it myself if I could use EZ or Addictive Drums in it. Without the abilitity to use plugins though, is it really not just a basic audio recorder for Reason and Reason Exclusively?

If that's so, I do have to say that I find it odd that Props. are hyping and promoting this as some independent, stand alone, "other" DAW or something.

If the only virtual instruments available to this thing are those in Reason, then this is not so much an independent DAW than it is just an audio recording plugin for Reason, no?

I could be wrong, but if that's the case then IMHO, Props should have just integrated this concept into Reason 5 or just charged a nominal fee for it as a Reason plugin, as loyal Reason users have been begging for audio recording for years.

If this is closed like I think it is, the stand alone nature of this does seem like an odd business decision, especially at the price being asked.

ReCord has a midi sequencer, but it seems like you would have to have Reason to make use of it. So it does seem like this is basically for Reason users. There are plenty of those, so even if only Reason users buy it, it should do well for them.

The marketing talk stresses making recording easier, but both Live and Reaper could not be easier or faster to launch and start recording. They are both already ridiculously easy.

Maybe Record will be strong in mixing, with very high quality tools. But for ease of recording, all daw's are easy to record in these days.

[ehdyn]

However, it would in no way replace midi for me. I do not use midi to keep the ability to change the tempo, but rather to adjust notes, or play back some controllers which control synth parameters after I have played the notes, etc etc...

You have programs to do that. This is for recording - hence the name Record.

Take a giant bath in MIDI till your hearts content and if any little nuggets come popping out that are worth recording - Record it.

[pdxindy]

However, it would in no way replace midi for me. I do not use midi to keep the ability to change the tempo, but rather to adjust notes, or play back some controllers which control synth parameters after I have played the notes, etc etc...

You have programs to do that. This is for recording - hence the name Record.

Take a giant bath in MIDI till your hearts content and if any little nuggets come popping out that are worth recording - Record it.

Both Live and Reaper record that Midi just fine (as do any other daws). Why pay $300 to duplicate functions that are already there?

[FaX]

The Gerry Basserman videos linked on page 40 or so of this thread are *much* more informative, IMO. Make sure you check those out if at all interested. This guy doesn't do a great job of presenting the product.

Here are some of the most relevant videos about Record so far (so ppl don't have to browse the whole thread):

Thanks for that - covers some excellent information in the Gerry Basserman interviews .

[PaulSC]

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[SuperFly76]

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

Man. You just gave me an idea for a new product. I don't want to share it here because I'm friends with an electronic engineer who owns a firm that could make this happen.

Thanks for the idea!

[SuperFly76]

Like the people who first bought reason and still expected reaktor to get updated ?

Propellerhead have made sure reason works with Record so i would assume they will concentrate with Record from now on , i hope im wrong.

What does reason have to do with reaktor? They are from 2 totally different manufacturers. I assume you were referring to Rebirth and not reaktor right?

[kmonkey]

I bought SONAR, but sadly...I find it a very tedious program of a million little clicks, menus, windows, settings, icons, obscure nomenclature etc.. When I want to put down what's in my head, I don't want to feel like I have to suddenly turn on the side of my brain that does math problems, just to "set things up" for the purposes of "quickly" laying down a small MIDI
sequence.

I don't want to be asked a million questions in dialogue boxes or have to route this and connect that, click here now select that, change your view and now click that and select from this...blah-blah-blah. With my ADD, by the time I've got a track in Sonar "ready" for recording, I've long forgotten my musical idea and my mind has moved to something completely unrelated to what I'm doing and I end up zombie staring at the monitor.

The visuals simply overwhelm me and make me drift. I can't use Sonys' Acid for the simple reason that I find it's color scheme of pastels on a BRIGHT WHITE field garish, unpleasant and tiring. I'm actually ONLY buying an Apple because I LOVE the New look of Logic 8, as it's SO...clean and spartan and built on the original Tracktion concept of ONE WINDOW simplicity. Someone like me can truly think in that environment. Others may find that boring and actually be inspired by a GUI that looks like the control panel of a jet plane! Our brains are all wired differently and we need to celebrate that and find that which works best for each one of US!

Please stop bashing and trashing every company for releasing a new DAW. Like I said, even something seemingly as superficial as graphics/look can make a HUGE difference if not ALL the difference to certain users, myself included, while to others, it's just the same old beans in a different can. The can CAN be important to some of us! That's why statements like "there's nothing new here...there's nothing ground breaking here...this is no big deal..." completely miss the point!
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This is KVR. People here don't eat crap easily. They tend to think and criticize here...

Then i am not sure how the hell you bought Sonar which is obviously not for your taste before running a demo which is free and FULLY FUNCTIONAL for some time period

I found it hard to believe that someone is actually making purchase of some product(not cheap) before knowing anything at all about it...

uhm..

[SuperFly76]

Anyone know yet if Record can export recorded audio tracks to individual .wav files? Say for instance I really like the way Record records, but then want to use those tracks in a more robust mixing/post-processing app.

Yes and yes.

[koalaboy]

I'm assuming they will widen that eventually to those who volunteer (and have needed system configs)

[SuperFly76]

"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.

It's really pathetic.

Hey guys, The sequencer does do midi. It works just like reasons sequencer with audio and some more features added. It's audio and midi.

[kreeper_6]

"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.

It's really pathetic.

Hey guys, The sequencer does do midi. It works just like reasons sequencer with audio and some more features added. It's audio and midi.

MIDI out?

[SuperFly76]

"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.

It's really pathetic.

Hey guys, The sequencer does do midi. It works just like reasons sequencer with audio and some more features added. It's audio and midi.

MIDI out?

Not sure about midi out. Up until now props have not done midi out. It does have midi in though. It can record midi into the sequencer and play it back on it's instruments or any reason instrument if you have reason installed also.