Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[headquest]

Yikes: this thread is getting hard to keep up with and read.

Anyway, I may have missed this but another important question about Record:

Can you or can't you import your own audio files and loops directly into an audio track (i.e. without using ReCycle, Dr Rex or NN-XT), and if so,
* do they automatically timestretch?
* what audio file formats are supported?

[headquest]

Sorry - but to clarify the question:

Just an underlying concern that Record *might* record this super-timestretch audio (and store it embedded within its proprietary song file format) in its own proprietary audio format, not as a .wav.

If this is so then those audio files will be impossible to edit in a wave editor, and quite possibly the audio track would only host files in the proprietary format. So any other audio file would need to be imported via DrRex or NN-XT - as is the case with Reason.

This would be a HUGE limitation, so I hope my vague concern is unfounded. But I don't see anywhere in the Propellerhead blurb where it lists supported audio file formats such as .wav, .aiff, .mp3, etc. Obviously some of these are available as export options (but which?)... but how about import?

Perhaps blank/diod of somebody else who has an early beta copy could confirm?

[Amberience]

A quick question to all the nay-sayers (and I certainly don't remove myself from that camp): Do you find that you sometimes get bogged down in all the production techniques and engineering tasks, instead of doing what it is you set out to do; make music?

I think that was the question that Prop's tried to answer with this. No shame in that. I'm actually very interested in giving it a spin. BUT... as I imagine how I would use it; there really is no difference to how I would use Ableton Live. The thing that live lacks is a bunch of go-to effects presets for certain tasks. Off-topic, but I've always found the Live library to be fairly poor.

This looks like a nice environment to work in. But I'm more interested in how it sounds and how it limits my ability to get bogged down in the more cerebral tasks.

[TristezaOrange]

Do you find that you sometimes get bogged down in all the production techniques and engineering tasks, instead of doing what it is you set out to do; make music?

I don't get this argument at all. With other hosts I can have a choice: record my audio and not get bogged down in all the production techniques or record my audio and get bogged down in all the production and engineering techniques. With Record, according to PHs themselves, I don't have this choice.

How is Reaper or FL Studio or Cubase any different if you decide to restrict yourself to some basic functions?

[edit] people whine all the time about getting lost in the menus and sub-menus of Reaper but the fact is that the tasks that are straightforward in Record are also straightforward in Reaper (or any other more advanced host). There is that video in which a PH spokesperson says that "if you want to record audio, you just tell it to create a track and then you can instantly record audio". Really? And how does he suppose you do that in FL Studio? You don't even have to create an audio track, you just press record and you're done.

And then there's that idiotic "wow" video.

[sophtrazor]

When i was first getting into electronic music Reason totally turned me off. It sounded great but i couldnt get it to work (or record for that matter) you had to wire it up connect shit together in a rack it left nothing to the imagination and the sequencer or what ever it was for writing songs might as well have been a jigsaw puzzle. Now it looks like they have solved the environment issue that made so goddamn frustrated when i was 17 but i already have Live 8 and hoard of vsts so i could careless for going backwards even though i want to have in a mac book pro that i havent got the money for.

anyone noticed how fast this thread grew?

The hardest part for me is getting ideas worth pursuing into music form fast enough before i either forget them or they change in my head Reason and a Mac Book could be the answer to this but ehhhh...

[Kmeister]

A quick question to all the nay-sayers (and I certainly don't remove myself from that camp): Do you find that you sometimes get bogged down in all the production techniques and engineering tasks, instead of doing what it is you set out to do; make music?

I think that was the question that Prop's tried to answer with this. No shame in that. I'm actually very interested in giving it a spin. BUT... as I imagine how I would use it; there really is no difference to how I would use Ableton Live. The thing that live lacks is a bunch of go-to effects presets for certain tasks. Off-topic, but I've always found the Live library to be fairly poor.

I did start to fell bogged down until I settled on Live 7.I found Live's Library (and set-up) to be a 'land of opportunity' to be beefed up with your own racks and content.

[spaceman]

Mods. Any chance of giving the generic copy protection shite its own thread? It deserves one.

With fifty pages, about 750 posts to sift through, and the CP posts mixed well into the rest?

Lemme see. Temp lock, maybe split, maybe not depending on how long it would take.

[edit] Wow, not a chance. It would take maybe half an hour of picking through posts, reading each to see if it was relevant to Record itself or just the copy protection issue, and splitting or not splitting. Some posts are relevant to both. And in just a few minutes it went from 750 to about 770 posts -- way too much. I've got programming work yet undone and can't afford to do this; sorry. Maybe another mod?

[edit edit] Wrong, not half an hour. If a mod takes ten seconds per post it will take 7700 seconds or over two hours to go through the thread as it is now.

just wait until BONES pops in and then lock it

[Sascha Franck]

Three things:

1) To me, the price is questionable. To actually make full use of Record, you gotta own Reason as well (otherwise you're left with a very basic mixing/FX environment. Given that Reason is still €380 over here and that for Reason owners Record will be €150, we're at over €500 already. Pricewise, this puts the Reason/Record combination into the Cubase/Logic league. And given that almost anybody these days wants to make additional use of 3rd party plugins, you will at least occasionally have to start yet another sequencer (or audio editor, in case you don't need virtual instruments) to do so.
Hm...

2) From the Gerry Basserman videos, the sequencing and recording itself looks really easy, even if it also looks as if Record would consume (probably even waste, in case you really don't need all the features for the moment) quite a lot of screen estate (I always had that feeling with Reason, too, even if my experiences are only from watching others working with it). The audio comping however seems to be done absolutely great, almost like what I wish Logics Swipe Comping would be updated to.

3) If they are a "must" (no, I don't want to debate about this right now), this is exactly the way dongles should be used! You only have to quickly plug it in to actually open a project, but you can start Record, work with it and save without the dongle attached. That's very cool (ok, in a live situation it's still a little hassle).
I always wished that Syncrosoft et al would work that very way. Especially Macbook owners are severely restricted by the lack of USB ports, so I could pretty much imagine this to be a welcomed approach for mobile Mac users (for me it would be).

- Sascha

[dcfac73]

They should integrate this into Reason...otherwise use Audacity or something

[Amberience]

Do you find that you sometimes get bogged down in all the production techniques and engineering tasks, instead of doing what it is you set out to do; make music?

I don't get this argument at all. With other hosts I can have a choice: record my audio and not get bogged down in all the production techniques or record my audio and get bogged down in all the production and engineering techniques. With Record, according to PHs themselves, I don't have this choice.

How is Reaper or FL Studio or Cubase any different if you decide to restrict yourself to some basic functions?

[edit] people whine all the time about getting lost in the menus and sub-menus of Reaper but the fact is that the tasks that are straightforward in Record are also straightforward in Reaper (or any other more advanced host). There is that video in which a PH spokesperson says that "if you want to record audio, you just tell it to create a track and then you can instantly record audio". Really? And how does he suppose you do that in FL Studio? You don't even have to create an audio track, you just press record and you're done.

And then there's that idiotic "wow" video.

It is a fair point you've made.

[blank/diod]

Anyway, I may have missed this but another important question about Record:

Can you or can't you import your own audio files and loops directly into an audio track (i.e. without using ReCycle, Dr Rex or NN-XT), and if so,
* do they automatically timestretch?
* what audio file formats are supported?

Yes, you can import WAV or AIFF to your tracks, and yes, they timestretch just like anything you recorded in Record. If you want them out of Record again, you can bounce all the tracks with a single menu command. So in case you want the Record timestretch goodness but for some reason want to mix the files in another application, just import them to Record, change the tempo, bounce and you're done.

[ericj23]

Anyway, I may have missed this but another important question about Record:

Can you or can't you import your own audio files and loops directly into an audio track (i.e. without using ReCycle, Dr Rex or NN-XT), and if so,
* do they automatically timestretch?
* what audio file formats are supported?

Yes, you can import WAV or AIFF to your tracks, and yes, they timestretch just like anything you recorded in Record. If you want them out of Record again, you can bounce all the tracks with a single menu command. So in case you want the Record timestretch goodness but for some reason want to mix the files in another application, just import them to Record, change the tempo, bounce and you're done.

can you set different stretch tempos per track

Basically can you stretch your sloppy playing to be at the same tempo on one track as another bit of perfect playing (say a loop) on another track - or stretch in the comp editor or anything

[v1o]

Just a few bits of new info from the developer's plan files. This would be of interest mainly to Reason users.

- Record has been in development for 5 years. Development started in March 2004 development was simultaneous with Reason 3.
- Their time stretch tech has been around for some time, so it is a mature technology.
- Record has improved Midi editing over Reason plus an on-screen/computer keys MIDI keyboard.
- You don't have to draw a clip before drawing a note, the clip is automatically created. The open clip expands if you draw notes outside it. And you can move notes to another clip!

http://www.propellerheads.se/company/cr ... 1&from=rss

[v1o]

They should integrate this into Reason...otherwise use Audacity or something

When you purchase Record you no longer need to use Reason. Because all the regular Reason functionality and more still are available in Record itself.

[Amberience]

They should integrate this into Reason...otherwise use Audacity or something

When you purchase Record you no longer need to use Reason. Because all the regular Reason functionality and more still are available in Record itself.

Which begs the question, why not just call it Reason 5?