Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[blank/diod]

I agree with John Vulich that using a real-time timestretch in a production context is not a very good idea. But I wonder whether Record might change that... and I'm guessing that the technology behind it may be something other developers start wanting to license from Propellerhead if they get the chance.

Well... is it a good idea to record an entire symphony orchestra on 64 tracks in Record, and then change the tempo from 120 to 60? Probably not. But it works surprisingly well on a lot of material, and for people who like to bring in vocal tracks and make remixes at a different tempo it's absolutely killer. For a guitarist who can't keep up with Yngwie and likes to cheat by lowering the tempo during recording and then return to the original tempo, it's killer. I don't think timestretch can be 100% artifact free even in theory, but this is the best one I've heard. The second best I've heard was a plugin for my old Soundscape hard disk recording system I used in the early 90's. Granted, it wasn't realtime and cost a fortune, but it could make radical tempo changes on an entire mix and produce results that were so good there would only be 3-4 spots during an entire song where it would screw up some transient on the drums or add an unnatural transition from a vowel to a noun on the vocals...

If this has really been around in Prop Headquarters for a while, it begs the question, why haven't Ableton put more development into improving their timestretch before now, considering the huge number of user requests to do something to make it credible.

Like I said, there were amazing timestretch algorithms already in the early 90's. It all comes down to who makes it. An audio software company can have great GUI programmers and mediocre DSP programmers and vice versa. Some just give up and buy stuff like timestretch algoritms from a third party. I don't know much about Ableton so I have no idea what their strengths and weaknesses are, but one possible answer to your question might be that they don't have someone like Pelle at Props who can do crazy stuff like that in his sleep. There are lots of coders but those real DSP kings are pretty rare, companies are lucky to have just one. Ableton could have half a dozen or zero of them, I dunno.

I'll try again...

How's the integration with the samplers, blank? Is it a simple drag and drop to get your takes into nn-xt/nn-19?

I have no idea, let me take a look...

(recording nonsense audio take now)

(attempting to drag it from sequencer to NN-XT in rack)

(unsuccessful)

(attempting right-clicking on audio take and selecting "Bounce clip to disk...")

(loading bounced wav into NN-XT)

Now the NN-XT can play a clip of me saying "blaaaeeehhhhhuuurrughhhhh"

Short answer: No!

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That's a shame. Maybe it'll make the cut in the .5 release.

[blank/diod]

That's a shame. Maybe it'll make the cut in the .5 release.

Maybe, if it gets suggested often enough. Is this something you use often? I personally don't which is why I didn't think of trying this before, it's probably item #6000 on the list of things I would look for...

[nuffink]

That's a shame. Maybe it'll make the cut in the .5 release.

Maybe, if it gets suggested often enough. Is this something you use often? I personally don't which is why I didn't think of trying this before, it's probably item #6000 on the list of things I would look for...

I think I would use it a lot though, as for you, it's hardly a deal breaker. It occurred to me when somebody else asked about pitch shifting.

[blank/diod]

That's a shame. Maybe it'll make the cut in the .5 release.

Maybe, if it gets suggested often enough. Is this something you use often? I personally don't which is why I didn't think of trying this before, it's probably item #6000 on the list of things I would look for...

I think I would use it a lot though, as for you, it's hardly a deal breaker. It occurred to me when somebody else asked about pitch shifting.

Ahh. Well, I can see that point. Timestretch/pitch shift usually go hand in hand but one is mysteriously missing here. On the other hand NN-XT doesn't have pitch shift so you'd just get a smurfette-type sound.

[Ubiety]

I'm not trying to prove a point. I've said the reasons why many times here. I like knowing that I can backup and recall my software licenses when need be. You can't do that with dongles. Once I purchase software, I like knowing that even if the dev disappears off the face of the earth I can still run what I purchased.

There's no such thing as a foolproof security system. There are always inherent weaknesses. The apparent weakness in yours is yourself. However, others exist regardless of your comfort level.

This doesn't make any sense. I just said that what I'm concerned with is the ability to backup and restore my software licenses when need be. All of my purchased software lets me do this because it's either a serial number or a keyfile, with the exception of the Korg stuff, Ableton Live (I don't really care though since it's an NFR and hardly use it besides beta testing products), and the Synth Squad.

What if you bump your head and forget where you stored your licenses?

[bobbybland]

So why the big countdown,if no delivery of beta-test? Anyone here got it ? That's incredibly lame if not..

[headquest]

The countdown led to the full announcement and as I understand it the start of beta testing, which is in stages. I know a few here have it yes, and those of us who registered and don't yet have the thing will get it in turn. It's an ongoing process that is underway, and ends in September with the commercial release.

[TristezaOrange]

[Pete C]

Maybe I am missing something here...I don't see where it says you can drop rex or wav audio files directly into the arranger. Do you still have to use Dr. Rex?

Edit, I guess I just meant audio files...not rex files.

[djanthonyw]

If by the 0.0001 chance that happened, it would be my problem. I think if you look at the big picture either way devs are losing sales, either from pirates or from people not purchasing their products due to c/p that puts a burden on the potential customer. So if this is the case, why make things difficult for customers?

If it's a good product that's priced reasonably it will sell. For example look at how successful the Sylenth group buy was... If developer 'A' can do it, so can dev 'B'.

[bobbybland]

LOL

[Kmeister]

That's an awful lot of work to go thru to criticize people who criticize people.

So after reading a few more pages let's see if I got this right.Record is more or less a 'Reason 5' that includes audio and handles it so well that the guys from Ableton need to kidnap that coding genius from Propp and make him rework their timestretching algo.

[TristezaOrange]

That's an awful lot of work to go thru to criticize people who criticize people.

STFU you platformer maker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kmeister]

OMG WTF ITMOU