Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[HelgeG]

So is that pronounced record or record?

Neither.

It's "räkörd", and only natives of Hälsingland, Sweden can pronounce it correctly.

Best post of this thread so far!

[ModuLR]

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

You can't just apply that blanket statement to everyone. What constitutes a lot more work is dependent on the person's individual workflow. We all don't think the same (and I'm not even a reason user).

[headquest]

Judging by the "Reader Songs" submitted to Computer Music magazine, I would say its easy to make sh*te music in any software, but actually quite hard to do any of this really well

[zion7]

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

You can't just apply that blanket statement to everyone. What constitutes a lot more work is dependent on the person's individual workflow. We all don't think the same (and I'm not even a reason user).

Template projects/combinators/etc aside, you cannot argue against the fact of something like you having to build a makeshift MultiBand Compressor in Reason by routing tons of things compared to me simply loading Waves LinMB and getting to the task at hand. Reason is severely limited and it takes tons of creativity and work to achieve some of the most common tasks.

[ModuLR]

Template projects/combinators/etc aside, you cannot argue against the fact of something like you having to build a makeshift MultiBand Compressor in Reason by routing tons of things compared to me simply loading Waves LinMB and getting to the task at hand. Reason is severely limited and it takes tons of creativity and work to achieve some of the most common tasks.

Again, you are operating from your experience. Some people might like the creativity of wiring bits together, and in doing so might achieve something which can not be done with Waves LinMB. Step outside of your small box.

[Pete C]

I like toys. Just saying.

Musicians use the word to desribe cool equipment all the time - I buy a new keyboard and say to my mates, "hey, look at my new toy".

I think that when people describe any musical equipment as a toy, they maybe don't understand musicians. YMMV though

sorry, I call all music software/gear "toys". Plus, thats how the gf views them

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

Ah, that kind of toy. I use that term all the time, however I thought zion7 was bashing. It wouldn't be the first time Reason was called a "toy" by comparison to more "professional" music software. I have a problem with that viewpoint as any tool is just a tool. I have used tons of hosts over the years and find each has their strengths and weaknesses. Reason can be more work than other hosts if you are doing certain things, that is true.

[mellotronaut]

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

You can't just apply that blanket statement to everyone. What constitutes a lot more work is dependent on the person's individual workflow. We all don't think the same (and I'm not even a reason user).

Template projects/combinators/etc aside, you cannot argue against the fact of something like you having to build a makeshift MultiBand Compressor in Reason by routing tons of things compared to me simply loading Waves LinMB and getting to the task at hand. Reason is severely limited and it takes tons of creativity and work to achieve some of the most common tasks.

why do i always have this strange feeling of a funny smell, when i read your posts? ... anyway, like Ernst from the props said, it's about music, not about audio: you're only talking about audio. The guys, who load their Waves LinMB, will probably never find out anything improper, but the innovation in music (like in everything, we call art ) comes from improper use of the given 'material'.

[AuxiliaryInput]

PS: You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase. But yes its possible to make good music with Reason.

You can't just apply that blanket statement to everyone. What constitutes a lot more work is dependent on the person's individual workflow. We all don't think the same (and I'm not even a reason user).

Template projects/combinators/etc aside, you cannot argue against the fact of something like you having to build a makeshift MultiBand Compressor in Reason by routing tons of things compared to me simply loading Waves LinMB and getting to the task at hand. Reason is severely limited and it takes tons of creativity and work to achieve some of the most common tasks.

Dunno about anyone else, but this is my favorite part. Routing lots of stuff together.

[zion7]

Dunno about anyone else, but this is my favorite part. Routing lots of stuff together. Besides, when you're done you can just save it to load it for later use in a few clicks.

I've made a multiband compressor and it was fun. It's not like you have to remake it every time you need it.

I agree. Reason is cool as hell for routing audio and creating crazy stuff. I have done insanely cool FX routing the Matrix to things that are not normally routed to it. Having said that, Reason to me is a plugin that I use occasionally like an instrument inside a bigger host. Reason nor Record will ever be the all encompassing solution. You can do your own cool tricks with Reason but thinking clever routing of the M-class compressor compares to the quality that the engineers of Waves have put into their compressors is a joke. There are HUGE sonic differences in quality between plugins and programs. Treating all music as equal is silly. Sound quality matters.

Step outside of your small box.

In my small box? That is the most ironic statement I have read on this forum . The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you mix and match and can get the best of everything you need. Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

[ModuLR]

And about me being stock in my box? That is the most ironic statement I have read on this forum . The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you can get the best of everything you need. Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

This has nothing to do with the best everything. I use a an old tascam 4 track for a lot of stuff I do. What's best is individual. Waves are next to useless for what I do. That's the point. Not everyone operates from the same set of rules. Our sonic palettes differ, thus what we need to accomplish our goals differ from person to person. So there is no "only" answer. The answer is options, of which reason (and now record) is one for many people. I don't even know what a "true DAW" means... did that stop reason users from making music before?

and I swear "competes" is the most overused term on KVR's host forum. There is no finish line here. There will never be a winner.

[zion7]

And about me being stock in my box? That is the most ironic statement I have read on this forum . The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you can get the best of everything you need. Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

This has nothing to do with the best everything. I use a an old tascam 4 track for a lot of stuff I do. What's best is individual. Waves are next to useless for what I do. That's the point. Not everyone operates from the same set of rules. Our sonic palettes differ, thus what we need to accomplish our goals differ from person to person. So there is no "only" answer. The answer is options, of which reason (and now record) is one for many people. I don't even know what a "true DAW" means... did that stop reason users from making music before?

strawman argument. Waves might not be your answer, but surely Reason cannot be the end be all of everything you will ever need, ever!

[Jeremy_NSL]

Record isn't meant for those who need the latest Waves plugins in order to mix. Neither is Reason. If you are one of those people, stick with what is working for you.

Record and Reason are meant for non-mixing engineers. Synthesists and songwriters. And for that audience the included FX are more than sufficient (though a new chorus would be welcome!). Also keep in mind that a set of Waves plugins will cost quite a bit more than Reason/Record together. That said, we may find out that the SSL emulation in Record is very competitive with Waves very $$$ effort...

For those people who are in the Record/Reason audience who really hit it big and suddenly feel their mixes need help - just export stems from Record sans FX and get your engineer to import into Pro Tools/Logic or whatever.

The important thing to remember is this isn't meant to replace PT\Logic. Its targeting a different audience with different needs.

[zion7]

right and when people like me simply are not impressed because this targets a more novice audience, why do we attacked as Reason bashers? Yes I see the marketplace the Props have geared towards. Just wish they did something revolutionary like when Reason originally came out. The commercial made me think they did.

PS: one of the faulty assumptions I make is assuming all producers here are Electronic music recording artists. In my genres, sound quality is as an integral and important part of the producing process as the actual writing. I tend to forget there are people who just write ideas down and are done after that phase

[headquest]

The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you mix and match and can get the best of everything you need.

From a logical point of view you are right, but I suspect that experientially you are wrong. What I mean is: having the *best* of everything (i.e. the best plugin for each and every effect) does not necessarily mean the overall results will benefit. It really has more to do with the user, not just the equipment used.

To put this another way, maybe you are thinking like a recording engineer (which is fine and valid of course) and not like a musician; this software is for musicians though, quite clearly.

Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

True. But that is not the purpose of Record. Watch the video (again?) and you will see that the aims of Record are totally different from those you are thinking of.

I love Cubase 5 - since I bought it I have totally been amazed by how great it is. But chances are, I will also buy Record - as an expansion of Reason. I will use it quite differently from how I use Cubase. It serves a completely different niche.

If that niche is not for you, fine. But that is no reason to slag it off IMO. I suspect that it will hit its target full on.

[ModuLR]

strawman argument. Waves might not be your answer, but surely Reason cannot be the end be all of everything you will ever need, ever!

Ok. I have a friend who records what I think is outstanding music with reason alone. He's putting vinyl out, and he's getting quite a bit of attention. I think he's mad talented. Hmmm. He only uses reason. So based on your statement, he needs something else... but for what? Why does he need something else? Can you explain that to me? Because you are basically saying he can't do it all in reason. When all is said and done, he hands the wavs over to an engineer for mastering. What else does he need? I'm listening.