Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[aMUSEd]

The whole point is that it is supposed to be easy and simple...

Yes, but it's not supposed to be for people who want to record VST synths... clearly! That's why it is not as easy as hosts that Are aimed at VST users. Erm... obviously! If you are keen to record VST instruments then you are obviously not the target market for this product

My comment was in the context of a couple posters thinking about how they can record the audio of a standalone synth into Record. My point is why bother if its main claim is simplicity.

I don't see how it's any more complicated than plugging in a hardware keyboard synth or guitar and recording it - it's all stuff that goes into Record via the audio inputs and is treated the same once it's there.

tbh this is how I work a lot of the time anyway as I use my laptop as one big softsynth host and all audio - whether from that or my hardware synths or guitar gets routed via a mixer into my Creamware based DAW for final processing so it's all the same to me.

[headquest]

My comment was in the context of a couple posters thinking about how they can record the audio of a standalone synth into Record. My point is why bother if its main claim is simplicity.

Agreed. There are plenty of *easier* options for them

[pdxindy]

Bear in mind that you could use Soundflower on OSX (there must be a PC alternative!) to route audio signals into Record... thus... if your VST has a standalone option, you can launch that, and record directly into Record; just set the tempo to the same as record, and then slice off the latency that there will be... if you can zoom in that far of course

Just an idea....

Yeah I've already suggested people could use ReRoute (from Reaper) or another virtual audio cable option (of course on my Creamware system I can do that natively anyway)

Actually I *think* I might be able to use my Profire control panel to do the same thing, by using the software returns. Will have to investigate.

The whole point is that it is supposed to be easy and simple... having to jump through hoops to be able to record a softsynth means it is less easy than existing hosts

It's no more "jumping through hoops" than using Rewire would be really. It's just using your softsynth host as an audio input which is no more or less than you would get if you could use Record as a Rewire master to a softsynth host. Not as good as it loading plug-ins natively true but that's just not on the cards.

understood... to me it just seems like why bother with either workaround when my existing hosts record just fine and more simply... It is not like Record is the first 24bit audio recorder or something

[ModuLR]

But you can't prove that he wouldn't get even MORE success if he used better tools. Until I got GURU, Reason was my sketchpad for putting down beats and ideas quickly. I loved it for that. But then I always had to move the ideas to a serious DAW to get that big sound to compete with the fulltime pros putting out music. Trust me, its much harder with Reason. I think Liam Howlett of the Prodigy has made similar arguments too about Reason (cheapo-testimonial argument by me lol)

The best tool is the one that is actually used. For you, there were better tools. For others, that's not always the case.

[pdxindy]

The whole point is that it is supposed to be easy and simple...

Yes, but it's not supposed to be for people who want to record VST synths... clearly! That's why it is not as easy as hosts that Are aimed at VST users. Erm... obviously! If you are keen to record VST instruments then you are obviously not the target market for this product

My comment was in the context of a couple posters thinking about how they can record the audio of a standalone synth into Record. My point is why bother if its main claim is simplicity.

I don't see how it's any more complicated than plugging in a hardware keyboard synth or guitar and recording it - it's all stuff that goes into Record via the audio inputs and is treated the same once it's there.

tbh this is how I work a lot of the time anyway as I use my laptop as one big softsynth host and all audio - whether from that or my hardware synths or guitar gets routed via a mixer into my Creamware based DAW for final processing so it's all the same to me.

If someone has no DAW now, then maybe they might find this interesting. But for those of us who already have a DAW (or 2 or 3), what possible reason (pun intended) could there be to purchase Record when the existing DAW's are just as easy to use for recording, plus allow you to use a vast array of tools that you will have to jump through hoops to use in Record.

Timestretching better (if it is) than anyone else is one selling point (not for me personally). Other than that, unless I were a Reason user, it seems to be of little additional use. Why look for workarounds to tasks your existing software does better? And why even consider buying this when you have a full featured daw?

[ModuLR]

and I swear "competes" is the most overused term on KVR's host forum. There is no finish line here. There will never be a winner.

I think you're right.

Who "competes" only to half-ass the effort?


Surely not a winner. Maybe a finish line does exist...but as long as there are willing customers to pay for updates/expansions for features that REALLY should have been included in V1.0 judging by what the competition already offers...


I'm not convinced developers have any such hope of "finishing" anything.

Yes, that's correct. It's business. New angles for product lines. New users to reach. Former users to piss off and lose. It's part of the ebb and flow of the industry. You can attack their efforts, but they've been fairly successful at carving out their niche. I don't think much will change. There will likely be a slew of Record users.. as it will ultimately reflect the most natural extension of Reason while remaining true to it's workflow.

[koalaboy]

Why does everyone who already has a (one or more) DAW, always think the next one should be far better ?

The only thing that matters is if it works for you. If it doesn't, then stop worrying.

There's obviously a target market, and I'll admit I'm slightly confused what that is, but that's no reason to slag off what record brings to the table.

<remembers this is KVR>

Oh wait.... carry on.

[aMUSEd]

The whole point is that it is supposed to be easy and simple...

Yes, but it's not supposed to be for people who want to record VST synths... clearly! That's why it is not as easy as hosts that Are aimed at VST users. Erm... obviously! If you are keen to record VST instruments then you are obviously not the target market for this product

My comment was in the context of a couple posters thinking about how they can record the audio of a standalone synth into Record. My point is why bother if its main claim is simplicity.

I don't see how it's any more complicated than plugging in a hardware keyboard synth or guitar and recording it - it's all stuff that goes into Record via the audio inputs and is treated the same once it's there.

tbh this is how I work a lot of the time anyway as I use my laptop as one big softsynth host and all audio - whether from that or my hardware synths or guitar gets routed via a mixer into my Creamware based DAW for final processing so it's all the same to me.

If someone has no DAW now, then maybe they might find this interesting. But for those of us who already have a DAW (or 2 or 3), what possible reason (pun intended) could there be to purchase Record when the existing DAW's are just as easy to use for recording, plus allow you to use a vast array of tools that you will have to jump through hoops to use in Record.

Timestretching better (if it is) than anyone else is one selling point (not for me personally). Other than that, unless I were a Reason user, it seems to be of little additional use. Why look for workarounds to tasks your existing software does better? And why even consider buying this when you have a full featured daw?

I know I'm just exploring the possibilities in terms of integrating it into my setup. The way I work it would make no difference to me to use Record alongside or instead of any other audio app. Also there is a certain attraction for me though - I think the record sequencer is much the nicest sequencer I've seen in a long while (so pity it doesn't sequence VSTis)

[plastique]

I figured out a flaw in seriosity posting this link, on the internet.

[bpoteat]

Why does everyone who already has a (one or more) DAW, always think the next one should be far better ?

The only thing that matters is if it works for you. If it doesn't, then stop worrying.

I think it was more that they've been developing this for years and there was a whole lot of hype behind it. And then it's kind of like a "THIS is it?" response. It's more about expectations than comparisons with existing products.

[LawrenceF]

61 pages....

What's the record number of pages for a product that isn't even for sale yet and that most people can't even demo?

[koalaboy]

Why does everyone who already has a (one or more) DAW, always think the next one should be far better ?

The only thing that matters is if it works for you. If it doesn't, then stop worrying.

I think it was more that they've been developing this for years and there was a whole lot of hype behind it. And then it's kind of like a "THIS is it?" response. It's more about expectations than comparisons with existing products.

Was there really that much hype though ?? Or just the silly video, which considering youtube these days is pretty meaningless, and a couple of sites talking about something 'new' ?

[headquest]

.... and the "hype" (i.e. advertising ) on their website is for the most part aimed at existing Reason users, right?

I don't think this has been hyped in the way that, say, Ableton Live is constantly hyped everywhere at present... but I don't hear complaints about that....

[Amberience]

And about me being stock in my box? That is the most ironic statement I have read on this forum . The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you can get the best of everything you need. Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

This has nothing to do with the best everything. I use a an old tascam 4 track for a lot of stuff I do. What's best is individual. Waves are next to useless for what I do. That's the point. Not everyone operates from the same set of rules. Our sonic palettes differ, thus what we need to accomplish our goals differ from person to person. So there is no "only" answer. The answer is options, of which reason (and now record) is one for many people. I don't even know what a "true DAW" means... did that stop reason users from making music before?

strawman argument. Waves might not be your answer, but surely Reason cannot be the end be all of everything you will ever need, ever!

He already said he doesn't use Reason. He's defending it on a logical stance, and you're being emotional. *shrug*

[Amberience]

61 pages....

What's the record number of pages for a product that isn't even for sale yet and that most people can't even demo?

Did you see the Amplitube 2 threads??