KVR Audio

Locus M · Post by **Locus M** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:45 pm

jplanet wrote:There are some modulation routings that I am used to in VSTi's, such as being able to modulate with aftertouch.

They have promised a vsti version of the editor

but not delivered yet

hope it will come , though!

binky johnson · Post by **binky johnson** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:30 pm

If you're used to the flexibility of vst synths, the Mopho might really be the one. I came close to springing for the LP, looks good, sounds great, but it just didn't seem to have much else going on. I never really got hooked on the "moog sound" in the first place though. I am, however, hooked on modulation and sound design. After going over the specs of both, i felt the LP would fall short in the adventure department. And for the price of an LP you can get a Mopho and some analog chorus, delay, etc.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:25 am

If you don't want a keyboard and definitely want Mini sounds, then you could go for one of these:

mao · Post by **mao** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:03 am

I don't think the LP and Voyager sounds the same. I played a lot with both before buying one. My first idea was to get the LP to save some $ but at the end the Voyager is by far more creamy, less aggressive and the double filter with spacing gives me a lot more than LP. The Voyager RME is the balanced solution. A little more expensive than LP but far better.

Mopho... well try a second hand DSI Evolver and you'll be on heaven.

I would like to ask Scot Solida why the P08 instead of an Alesis Andromeda? I mean you are a well known guru sound creator.. you know everything about synthesis... so why not approaching a beast like the A6?

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:14 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:If you don't want a keyboard and definitely want Mini sounds, then you could go for one of these:

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:36 am

mao wrote:I don't think the LP and Voyager sounds the same. I played a lot with both before buying one. My first idea was to get the LP to save some $ but at the end the Voyager is by far more creamy, less aggressive and the double filter with spacing gives me a lot more than LP. The Voyager RME is the balanced solution. A little more expensive than LP but far better.

Mopho... well try a second hand DSI Evolver and you'll be on heaven.

I would like to ask Scot Solida why the P08 instead of an Alesis Andromeda? I mean you are a well known guru sound creator.. you know everything about synthesis... so why not approaching a beast like the A6?

I haven't used an Andromeda since they first came out and at the time, I just didn't get along with it. The sound was okay, but the earliest versions were quite flaky (something that was addressed pretty quickly, but not before I lost interest). When the Andromeda was issued, it was still possible to get good vintage analogs for far less than what they cost today, so I never looked at the Andromeda after that initial encounter. By the time the bugs were ironed out and the prices came down they were impossible to find in my area, and I've never seen another in person (and since I don't need one myself, I wouldn't order one in just to play with it).

So it's not that I wouldn't recommend it, it's just that I can't honestly give an informed opinion on it. I have only vague memories of it these days.

mao · Post by **mao** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:36 pm

thanks for your reply Scot.

Salis · Post by **Salis** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:56 pm

Its a shame theres no big up for Minimonsta in this thread. It is give or take one of the best mini emulations out there and its cheap as hell compared to Lil Phatty.

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:01 pm

Salis wrote:Its a shame theres no big up for Minimonsta in this thread. It is give or take one of the best mini emulations out there and its cheap as hell compared to Lil Phatty.

This is what I'm starting to wonder - the Minimax always comes up as an outstanding Moog emulation, and the Minimonsta, IMHO, is better...so if some people think the Minimax is better than the Voyagers, and I like the Minimonsta better than the Minimax, what am I really spending my money on?

Now I'm more confused than when I started! I can just picture gettinga Minimoog, and being too lazy to hook it up to my rig, and end up with Minimonsta tracks with all their unique modulation routings, and not wanting to replace those tracks with the real Moog...Maybe I should just keep my money and get a real Moog when I really have money to spare...

Chopper · Post by **Chopper** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:06 pm

jplanet wrote:I can just picture gettinga Minimoog, and being too lazy to hook it up to my rig, and end up with Minimonsta tracks with all their unique modulation routings, and not wanting to replace those tracks with the real Moog...

my exact situation. Minimonsta is THAT good! and I can save the patches...
it even fit better in the mix in my opinion, and is cleaner. But to play alone, with nothing else around in the track, the Minimoog still has more mojo...

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:07 pm

Or just don't get one at all, get what you like the sound of and what you like to work with in your workflow. I personally disagree that Minimonsta sounds better than Minimax but that's what this whole "personal taste" thing is about. We'd all be making the same shite if that wasn't the case

SWAN808 · Post by **SWAN808** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:20 pm

personally the Minimonsta does not come close to the quality of sound of the phatty. I would endeavor to describe further but I have learnt the lesson not to extol the virtues of analogue in KVR. I found the Minimax to be very nice - but still slightly lacking when compared to a real moog - in my opinion.

Also FWIW I understand that the fliter and the VCOs of the phatty are the same as the Voyager. However the Voyager does not have the great drive circuit of the phatty. And you can expand the phatty with moogfoogers - so that it become quite a versatile monosynth...

jplanet · Post by **jplanet** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:31 pm

SWAN808 wrote:personally the Minimonsta does not come close to the quality of sound of the phatty. I would endeavor to describe further but I have learnt the lesson not to extol the virtues of analogue in KVR. I found the Minimax to be very nice - but still slightly lacking when compared to a real moog - in my opinion.

Also FWIW I understand that the fliter and the VCOs of the phatty are the same as the Voyager. However the Voyager does not have the great drive circuit of the phatty. And you can expand the phatty with moogfoogers - so that it become quite a versatile monosynth...

What I really need to do is rent or borrow one of these for a bit, and see if it adds that special something to my tracks that will make it worth it...

mao · Post by **mao** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:42 pm

the BIG difference on playing a real Moog is... playing it. I try to explain... I compared the minimonsta to the voyager... if you listen to one osc playing a raw beeep note it's the same. Now add the 2nd osc... things start to change... ad the 3rd osc things change abit more. now use the filter and PLAY... the BIG difference is in how things interact in analog domain vs digital domain. I find far more pleasure on playing the real thing... something makes the sound more alive... so yes.. give the real thing a try.

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:37 pm

jplanet wrote:Maybe I should just keep my money and get a real Moog when I really have money to spare...

This may be the only answer that will satisfy you in the long run... it certainly was for me. I have owned lots of vintage Moogs, lots of emulations, lots of other classic synths, and always felt that while most were good in their own right, they fell short of the Minimoog. Eventually, I just gave in and bought an old Mini and had it restored. I secretly wanted all of the legend of the Mini to be hype... 'cause it was expensive. However, it quickly became clear to me that this was the sound I had been after (well, one of them, anyway) and became equally as clear that little else could replicate it, including other Moogs both old and new. Why? I don't know. Maybe its the envelopes. Maybe its the fact that the Minis were designed by ear, not on a spreadsheet. I can't tell you. For all I know, maybe my particular Minimoog is the only one that sounds this way. But I can tell you that there is a sound and a playability to the real Mini that never fails to inspire me. Unfortunately, I can't get that from a modern Moog. If you shop around, you can find a real vintage Mini for two or three grand. You can then send that Mini to someone like www.analogics.org for a reasonably priced restoration that will bring it up to a modern spec. You will of course need to show it a little more love and care than you would a modern, garishly colored plastic and metal instrument, but if it's the Minimoog you are after, little else will suffice.

But it'll be a helluva lot more expensive than firing up an instance of ASynth or Iblit...

Minimonsta vs. Little Phatty vs. Mopho