KVR Audio

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:00 am

glasgene wrote:Lawrence/Susi some advice :

I am finding that without adjusting any delay settings on my tracks that the info line will display a negative delay; the notes or events are playing correctly but as soon as I adjust the delay in the info line the parts will be playing off beat? like I said I am not adding delay in the track inspector and this will happen on VSTi tracks and audio and ideas?

glasgene,
By pure coincidence I had a similar issue lately with a MIDI track,but it only was one track in a project. Check my post in the middle of p.18 for a workaround. Don't ask me what caused this, probably user error on my side.
Not sure if that helps in your case,
susiwong

glasgene · Post by **glasgene** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:37 am

LawrenceF wrote:Not sure what you mean exactly. Track delay is not shown in the info line, only track offset which is something different.

Sorry Lawrence my mistake the offest is showing as negative .. any ideas why this may be is it some sort of latency compensation?

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 13, 2009 11:56 am

I haven't seen what Susiwong describes but it sounds like it might be a bug. The only time I use offset is with the arrow tool "Sizing Moves Contents" a slip type thing.

Get that tool and size the right hand corner of the audio clip to bring it back in line.

Can you post a screenshot?

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:26 pm

If you'll forgive me, may I ask a couple of questions whilst there's C5 focus here ?

1) The Logical Project Editor thing - I'm assuming you can assign those processes to keystrokes (macros were mentioned)

2) Windows - can you 'dock' windows onto the screen, similar to code IDEs, or are they still a mix of maximised/tiled/floating ?

3) What facility is there to edit audio wrt transients... Can I, as in Live 8, drag a transient to a specific Bar/Beat location and does it ripple edits ?

4) Wrt VSTi, are the tracks more like Reaper wher I can add an FX rack which contains 1 or more instruments, or Sonar where I have to add them globally, and route midi to/from them ?

5) I think it has ghost clips, or the like (change one, the rest all change also) ?

6) Vista 64, UAD-2... is it working ?

7) Is there any crossgrade from other packages or am I really (as a non-student) looking at £450 in the UK ?

I've been quite tempted by 5, as Sonar 8 and Live 8 aren't keeping me convinced (nothing specific, but I don't feel comfortable in them) and Reaper is just too clunky for me most of the time - yes, this is another pure 'feel' thing, but the responses here haven't been too bad so far.

Thanks, and sorry for the hijack.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 13, 2009 1:16 pm

1. Yes.
2. No docking. Screen sets / window arrangements.
3. Yes, warp transients to bars or vice versa.
4. Both, kinda, sorta.
5. Yes. Shared clips.
6. Yes, as far as I know though I don't use either.
7. Not sure. The competitive cross grade offer might be done.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:20 pm

Ok, back home.
In all those years I only noticed this offset issue once, and it was a single MIDI track in a multi track project so I'd rather blame it on myself than on Steinberg.
Why it's the case with all tracks for you is beyond me.
It definitely is not PDC related, I'm heavily using UAD and Duende all the time and typically have no offsets.
Try the following little test:
New empty project, no template, create a MIDI track and an audio track, see if you still get these offsets.
Cheers,
susiwong

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:34 pm

koalaboy wrote: 6) Vista 64, UAD-2... is it working ?

Yes, it's working fine, but there are still a few issues.
UA is working on a fix.
-- munching : UAD-2 plugins use a considerable amount of host CPU atm for PCIe bus transfer (NOT for the FX !), getting worse with lower latency
-- spiking : UA plugins are among the plugs that cause CPU spikes in Cubase, again mainly at lower latency. This issue has an easy workaround, from the horse's mouth:
http://www.studionu.com/uadforums/viewt ... 11&t=11637
So it's no big deal.
-- now Vista is a different story ...

If performance matters you're still better off with XP64.
Maybe Windows 7 will change that, too early to tell.
Ymmv,
susiwong

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:43 pm

What's "wrt"?

EDIT: Ah! "With Regards To".

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:10 pm

Thanks Lawrence, and Susi.

Susi - I remembered after posting that you used UAD-2, so I hoped for a response. The CPU 'munching' - is that just cubase, because I don't suffer it really under Vista64 with anything else (although I doubt I push it too much yet). The affinity workaround looks okay, but I assume it would work for 8 logical cores ?

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:24 pm

I'm not getting CPU munching with UAD-2, but I guess it's a PC-thing?

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:29 pm

koalaboy wrote:Thanks Lawrence, and Susi.

Susi - I remembered after posting that you used UAD-2, so I hoped for a response. The CPU 'munching' - is that just cubase, because I don't suffer it really under Vista64 with anything else (although I doubt I push it too much yet). The affinity workaround looks okay, but I assume it would work for 8 logical cores ?

koalaboy,
-- Better ask Phil who wrote the tool, but I don't see why it shouldn't work.
-- Afaik the munching (NOT the spiking) is an exclusive UAD-2 feature, not Cubase specific. My Duende PCIe is completely free of it, the UAD-1 almost.
Don't know why UA insist on that new buffering behaviour for UAD-2, I'd much rather have the option of using double buffering like UAD-1 and getting rid of the munching in return. I only have a lowly Penryn with 4*3.2 GHz ...
-- Don't let that put you off, UA will deliver. They always did.
Ymmv,
susiwong

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:36 pm

bduffy wrote:I'm not getting CPU munching with UAD-2, but I guess it's a PC-thing?

Sorry, don't know.
On the PC side I've only read 1 1/2 convincing reports of no munching yet, one of them using Nuendo and the other Sonar afaik.
Everything else were the typical useless posts without any system specs, test results or screenies.
Cheers,
susiwong

glasgene · Post by **glasgene** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:51 am

LawrenceF wrote:I haven't seen what Susiwong describes but it sounds like it might be a bug. The only time I use offset is with the arrow tool "Sizing Moves Contents" a slip type thing.

Get that tool and size the right hand corner of the audio clip to bring it back in line.

Can you post a screenshot?

Hi Lawrence I looked at what I was doing during arrangement again last night and it looks like it has happening when I edit events in the arrange window particularly if I edit the start of an event rather than the end.. I will zoom in and it edit with snap off then apply snap to make sure the hits are on the beat etc which is where somehow an offset is being created .. at least now I am aware of what could be causing the problem I can work with it.

fandango · Post by **fandango** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:35 am

Am I right in guessing that you can't rename entries on the synth rack?

i.e., you have to select from:
Kontakt 2 1
Kontakt 2 2
Kontakt 2 3
Kontakt 2 4
Kontakt 2 5

as apposed to something meaningful like "Woodwinds", "Brass Section", etc.?

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:53 am

fandango wrote:Am I right in guessing that you can't rename entries on the synth rack?

i.e., you have to select from:
Kontakt 2 1
Kontakt 2 2
Kontakt 2 3
Kontakt 2 4
Kontakt 2 5

as apposed to something meaningful like "Woodwinds", "Brass Section", etc.?

Unfortunately that's true, but Steinberg will be replacing the rack soon anyway in favour of multi-out instrument tracks.
But you can name and colourize the individual outs in the mixer and the MIDI channels, too, so imho that's a non-issue 99% of the time.
Ymmv,
susiwong

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