KVR Audio

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:12 pm

K-Slash wrote:
spaceman wrote:
K-Slash wrote:Okay, let's enter the arena.

My view about this, is that if I'm going to get it, it's to be used for quick mixing for demos CDs.

Get the audio tracks files from the band/rapper/singer, bring them to this "DAW", use the modeled mixer with the EQ/COMP and make the tracks blend together quickly.

Use the master bus compressor emulation to "glue" that a little.

so, what are you going to do if the drummer was off half of the time and the snare came out sounding all wrong? Or the bass player missed several phrases and there's clicks all over the second guitar part?

Your tools are..

-a scissor
-erm.. that's it
Hum...

Well, that's a BIG problem.

Maybe I would say : come back when you have a decent recording. I don't want you to bring me THAT WONDERFUL sound, but there is a difference between being OK and being all wrong .

good luck with the demos

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:13 pm

djanthonyw wrote:Dongle fanboys are the worst!

I think dongle fanboys like playing with each other's dongles...

SuperFly76 · Post by **SuperFly76** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:22 pm

pdxindy wrote:
SuperFly76 wrote:
kreeper_6 wrote:
SuperFly76 wrote:
kreeper_6 wrote:
lordvader48 wrote:"Record" evidently does not do MIDI sequencing.

Let's say that for whatever "reason" the Props decided not to support external MIDI devices. Okay, that's not unprecedented and an unfortunate trend we're seeing more and more. But what possible good is a tool like this without event-based sequencing, even if it could only be used to drive the Reason instruments and effects? Honestly, I just DON'T GET IT.
It's really pathetic.
Hey guys, The sequencer does do midi. It works just like reasons sequencer with audio and some more features added. It's audio and midi.
MIDI out?
Not sure about midi out. Up until now props have not done midi out. It does have midi in though. It can record midi into the sequencer and play it back on it's instruments or any reason instrument if you have reason installed also.
It has included instruments?

Yeah. I think it's called m8 or something like that. Sort of a basic midi sound bank from what I gather. If you have Reason, it unlocks all the reason midi instruments that are naively built in to record (effects too). They are locked and invisible though if the user doesn't have reason installed.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:28 pm

zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:One thing no one has commented on (I don't think):

How convenient would it be to automatically have an decent EQ, compressor, and gate, per channel.. automatically.. without having to drag in any effects chains like you do have to in Live, and without having to open seperate plugin windows??

That seems like a worthy reason to want to investigate this program.
?
almost every sequencer has an EQ automatically built into every channel

As far as I'm aware:

Live doesn't.
Reaper doesn't.
Logic doesn't.
Pro Tools doesn't.

These programs require you to add a plugin, or activate something, in order for you to access EQ features.

Ubiety · Post by **Ubiety** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:33 pm

robojam wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:Dongle fanboys are the worst!
I think dongle fanboys like playing with each other's dongles...

Until now, it never crossed my mind that the two of you were trapped in the closet. Fanboys of dongle fanboys. Repression is an illness.

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:34 pm

Amberience wrote:
zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:One thing no one has commented on (I don't think):

How convenient would it be to automatically have an decent EQ, compressor, and gate, per channel.. automatically.. without having to drag in any effects chains like you do have to in Live, and without having to open seperate plugin windows??

That seems like a worthy reason to want to investigate this program.
?
almost every sequencer has an EQ automatically built into every channel
As far as I'm aware:

Live doesn't.
Reaper doesn't.
Logic doesn't.
Pro Tools doesn't.

These programs require you to add a plugin, or activate something, in order for you to access EQ features.

Cubase does 100%. 99% sure Logic does

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:37 pm

zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:
zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:One thing no one has commented on (I don't think):

How convenient would it be to automatically have an decent EQ, compressor, and gate, per channel.. automatically.. without having to drag in any effects chains like you do have to in Live, and without having to open seperate plugin windows??

That seems like a worthy reason to want to investigate this program.
?
almost every sequencer has an EQ automatically built into every channel
As far as I'm aware:

Live doesn't.
Reaper doesn't.
Logic doesn't.
Pro Tools doesn't.

These programs require you to add a plugin, or activate something, in order for you to access EQ features.
Cubase does 100%. 99% sure Logic does

Logic doesn't. You have to load a plugin, and THEN you get a visual representation of the EQ - but it isn't there until you load the plugin. Cubase does, which is why I didn't put it in my list

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:40 pm

Ubiety wrote:
robojam wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:Dongle fanboys are the worst!
I think dongle fanboys like playing with each other's dongles...
Until now, it never crossed my mind that the two of you were trapped in the closet. Fanboys of dongle fanboys. Repression is an illness.

That was almost a witty riposte...of course, it would have to have been witty to count as a witty riposte.

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:44 pm

Amberience wrote:
zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:
zion7 wrote:
Amberience wrote:One thing no one has commented on (I don't think):

How convenient would it be to automatically have an decent EQ, compressor, and gate, per channel.. automatically.. without having to drag in any effects chains like you do have to in Live, and without having to open seperate plugin windows??

That seems like a worthy reason to want to investigate this program.
?
almost every sequencer has an EQ automatically built into every channel
As far as I'm aware:

Live doesn't.
Reaper doesn't.
Logic doesn't.
Pro Tools doesn't.

These programs require you to add a plugin, or activate something, in order for you to access EQ features.
Cubase does 100%. 99% sure Logic does
Logic doesn't. You have to load a plugin, and THEN you get a visual representation of the EQ - but it isn't there until you load the plugin. Cubase does, which is why I didn't put it in my list

also Sonar does

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:52 pm

Amberience wrote:One thing no one has commented on (I don't think):

How convenient would it be to automatically have an decent EQ, compressor, and gate, per channel.. automatically.. without having to drag in any effects chains like you do have to in Live, and without having to open seperate plugin windows??

That seems like a worthy reason to want to investigate this program.

Well, I only sort of agree with that wish. There's a lot of different chains of these plugins which people like to use. Personally, I usually use a compressor first, then an EQ (so any EQ boosts won't "trigger" the compressor), most other folks seem to do it the other way around.

Anyway, in case a host comes with a clever channel strip preset functionality, inserting your favourite plugin chain should be a matter of seconds, so that's really not an issue for me personally.

Logic doesn't. You have to load a plugin, and THEN you get a visual representation of the EQ

Logic kinda does. There's the dedicated channel EQ icon on the channel strips. And it's actually programmed rather clever, because it always inserts the EQ on the next free plugin insert slot, so if you have a compressor inserted already, it'll place the EQ after it with just a doubleclick on said icon (see above, this is pretty much suiting my needs). I think this could be a great way to implement these kinda basic mixing plugins - in other words, I wish that exactly the same would be possible for at least a compressor.

- Sascha

Ubiety · Post by **Ubiety** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:55 pm

robojam wrote:
Ubiety wrote:
robojam wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:Dongle fanboys are the worst!
I think dongle fanboys like playing with each other's dongles...
Until now, it never crossed my mind that the two of you were trapped in the closet. Fanboys of dongle fanboys. Repression is an illness.
That was almost a witty riposte...of course, it would have to have been witty to count as a witty riposte.

Ah, the truth hurts.

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:00 pm

Ubiety wrote:
robojam wrote:
Ubiety wrote:
robojam wrote:
djanthonyw wrote:Dongle fanboys are the worst!
I think dongle fanboys like playing with each other's dongles...
Until now, it never crossed my mind that the two of you were trapped in the closet. Fanboys of dongle fanboys. Repression is an illness.
That was almost a witty riposte...of course, it would have to have been witty to count as a witty riposte.
Ah, the truth hurts.

Well I'm sure you'll get over it.

5bongo5 · Post by **5bongo5** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:02 pm

shamann wrote: I take it you're new to these internets, then?

No, I just got into usenet back in 1986, when for the most part the prevailing paradigm was more cooperative. Everything went to hell about 1994. So it goes.

silenthill2006 · Post by **silenthill2006** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:05 pm

I love Reason, and I know including VSTs would probably make it a lot less stable, but man if they could possibly do that I wouldn't use any other program. Oh well, that's what I have Acid for.

blank/diod · Post by **blank/diod** » Wed May 13, 2009 5:24 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Well, I only sort of agree with that wish. There's a lot of different chains of these plugins which people like to use. Personally, I usually use a compressor first, then an EQ (so any EQ boosts won't "trigger" the compressor), most other folks seem to do it the other way around.

Anyway, in case a host comes with a clever channel strip preset functionality, inserting your favourite plugin chain should be a matter of seconds, so that's really not an issue for me personally.

Well, Record has comp and gate on every channel (with sidechain input) and will load FX chains (=Combinator effect patches) on the insert on each channel, and the EQ has four bands so there's no longer any need to build FX chains for Comp/EQ in the rack like in Reason.

Also, you can change the signal path (Insert, Dyn, EQ) to any order you like (including your preference, i.e. comp before EQ).

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads