Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

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Yeah, looks like the perfect mixer for the novice user, that wants a simple and easy to use, hassle free recording program, as hyped in all the ad material so far.

Then the novice user can just bypass the big mixer and create a 14:2 mixer, or a 6:2 line mixer in case bass and treble on the 14:2 is too complicated, and plug that straight into the main out. Either way, if the novice is intimidated by the scope of the mixer, he needs to learn more about how mixers work, not more about how DAWs work. Sure it has lots of buttons and knobs, but it's not like removing any of them would un-complicate the concept of the mixer, I mean what can you do? Reduce the number of sends from 8 to 4? Remove 2 bands on the EQ? They'll still have to learn how to mix and to operate a mixer, just like they would have on an old 4-track portastudio.

The thing is that all DAW novices aren't necessarily audio novices. When I worked in a music store 20 years ago I had plenty of customers who knew their way perfectly well around mixers, amps, guitar pedals and FX units but were still like babies when you showed them MIDI stuff, Cubase, Creator/Notator etc, and you had to tell them five times that there's no audio running through a MIDI cable. If I had been able to sell them something like Record, where recording is 2 clicks away and all routing is done with virtual cables instead of more abstract concepts, I would have saved a loooooot of time and headaches.

[headquest]

Just regarding the ReGroove mixer again... in Record will this apply groove to audio - sorry, "music" - clips, or just MIDI and rex files?

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Just regarding the ReGroove mixer again... in Record will this apply groove to audio - sorry, "music" - clips, or just MIDI and rex files?

Just MIDI/REX. The ReGroove mixer quantizes and changes velocity on MIDI data in realtime, which sounds like something of a processing nightmare to perform across dozens of audio tracks during playback -- I'd imagine it would have to be an offline process. I'd also imagine that audio quantizing is something where you want to go in and do manual adjustments anyway, the timing of simple MIDI note-on messages is a no-brainer for an automatic process but timing in audio is always misinterpreted on some material, especially material that lacks clearly defined transients.

[Sascha Franck]

What kind of reverb does Reason/Record comes with?

[headquest]

What kind of reverb does Reason/Record comes with?

Both come with the RV7000 reverb, which is excellent.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[headquest]

I'm assuming they are saving back any other major new modules - and hopefully some/all of the stuff you mention is in development - for Reason 5, which I'm guessing will be along early next year...

[Sascha Franck]

Thinking about Reason/Record a bit more, it could be nice to have an all in one, highly stable and efficient sequencing environment.
Unfortunately, for me it'd probably lack of a few important plugins. As a guitar player, I want something better than that Line 6 stuff (almost anybody else is doing better these days). And I also want some IR loading plugin without latency (again, I need that for my guitar demands). So, even if I liked Record a lot these would be dealbreakers instantly (rewiring isn't what I will ever want to deal with).

- Sascha

[Amberience]

Thinking about Reason/Record a bit more, it could be nice to have an all in one, highly stable and efficient sequencing environment.
Unfortunately, for me it'd probably lack of a few important plugins. As a guitar player, I want something better than that Line 6 stuff (almost anybody else is doing better these days). And I also want some IR loading plugin without latency (again, I need that for my guitar demands). So, even if I liked Record a lot these would be dealbreakers instantly (rewiring isn't what I will ever want to deal with).

- Sascha

I do agree. The Line 6 stuff has been shat all over by Amplitube and Revalver (at least in my opinion). But, I've got a real amp that I mic up, and I don't mind routing signals into Record from standalone versions of Amplitube and Revalver if I need to.

I'm quite liking the look of the mixer; and is what is making me think of at least trying the program.

Prop's should've teamed up with Peavey and gotten Revalver technology built into Reason... er.. sorry, Record.

[headquest]

Presumably the Line 6 stuff gets updated, and the Record versions will follow suit?

One interesting thing about the release of Record is that it removes a bunch of Reason FR. From now on it seems hopeful that Reason FR and new versions can completely focus on improving the included modules and adding new ones.

An IR-loading effect for adding both convolution reverb and guitar cabs would be a great addition for Reason 5, probably top of my list now (although another killer synth would also be great of course!). And a glitch effect

[Amberience]

Presumably the Line 6 stuff gets updated, and the Record versions will follow suit?

One interesting thing about the release of Record is that it removes a bunch of Reason FR. From now on it seems hopeful that Reason FR and new versions can completely focus on improving the included modules and adding new ones.

An IR-loading effect for adding both convolution reverb and guitar cabs would be a great addition for Reason 5, probably top of my list now (although another killer synth would also be great of course!). And a glitch effect

I'm going to wait until I use record; they could have missed some seriously useful stuff. For instance, are there folder tracks to keep things folded away all nice and tidy? Are there freeze functions to turn instrument/effect chains into audio to free up CPU?

Making it easy to use for musicians is one thing; but even musicians need certain things that are in the realm of the engineer.

[blank/diod]

One interesting thing about the release of Record is that it removes a bunch of Reason FR. From now on it seems hopeful that Reason FR and new versions can completely focus on improving the included modules and adding new ones.

Forgive a Swede, but... FR?

Family Reunion?
Floyd Rose?
Failure Rate?
Federal Republic?
Fund Raising?
Flame Retardant?
Fumble Recovery?
Flight Recorder?
Facial Recognition?
Forest Renewal?
Farm Reservoir?

[headquest]

Feature Request.

I like some of your alternatives though

[headquest]

I'm going to wait until I use record; they could have missed some seriously useful stuff. For instance, are there folder tracks to keep things folded away all nice and tidy? Are there freeze functions to turn instrument/effect chains into audio to free up CPU?

Making it easy to use for musicians is one thing; but even musicians need certain things that are in the realm of the engineer.

Very sensible not to make a decision yet of course.

Just to note though, I never missed or needed a freeze function in Reason because the devices are all so CPU efficient. This is one of the really BIG contrasts between using Reason and (for example) Live, where even its own instruments are huge CPU hogs.

I'm guessing that they have retained that level of efficiency, and thus no need for a freeze. Time - and thorough testing - will tell though

[Amberience]

I'm going to wait until I use record; they could have missed some seriously useful stuff. For instance, are there folder tracks to keep things folded away all nice and tidy? Are there freeze functions to turn instrument/effect chains into audio to free up CPU?

Making it easy to use for musicians is one thing; but even musicians need certain things that are in the realm of the engineer.

Very sensible not to make a decision yet of course.

Just to note though, I never missed or needed a freeze function in Reason because the devices are all so CPU efficient. This is one of the really BIG contrasts between using Reason and (for example) Live, where even its own instruments are huge CPU hogs.

I'm guessing that they have retained that level of efficiency, and thus no need for a freeze. Time - and thorough testing - will tell though

Bah! I wish they'd authorize me for the beta already! I got my band's recordings I could be throwing into this thing!!