Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[zion7]

what the fack is your point?

then WTF is the point of arguing how good Reason is? Why are you even replying to me then and wasting more time? Its called a light-hearted discussion/argument on why people like or dislike Props' products for the purpose of killing time at work. This is a messageboard. Go dry your wet panties

[Muzik 4 Machines]

I am sorry that having an opinion on which software is better

you really don't get it don't you, NO SOFTWARE IS BETTER, it's the user that do the music, not the damn f**king software

[zion7]

I am sorry that having an opinion on which software is better

you really don't get it don't you, NO SOFTWARE IS BETTER, it's the user that do the music, not the damn f**king software

ah yes. ALL Software is 100% EQUAL. I guess the era of political correctness has stumbled its way into KVR audio. CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL SOFTWARE!!
you're an idiot. Its both. Do you use Reason 1.0? No cause 4.0 is better.

ps; didnt some of you want to hit 100 pages?

[mellotronaut]

well then. I am sorry that having an opinion on which software is better offends so many people. Especially when it comes from a long time previous Reason user. I came in this thread to discuss about Record. Sorry if my comments reminded you of how little your mommie loved you. I know I don't get offended if somebody slags a piece of software I use. Grow up people. Or don't and continue to resort to childish insults because your tiny ego is somehow linked to the program you use to make music.

you repeat the same stuff over and over again ... i hope, your music ain't as boring and repetitive as your posts.
You're not the only one on KvR, who uses vst/is and a host that loads them.

You'll be the first one, i mute here

[zion7]

you repeat the same stuff over and over again .

correct because the same fools keep asking me the same question due to their lack of reading comprehension and the fact that I said YES you can make great music in Reason. FACE f**king PALM. im done

[C.Bennett]

BETA 2 was just released about an hour or so ago

[headquest]

you repeat the same stuff over and over again ... i hope, your music ain't as boring and repetitive as your posts.
You're not the only one on KvR, who uses vst/is and a host that loads them.

Seriously ... +1

[ModuLR]

Zion7, I gave you a clear example of a track done entirely in reason. It's not amateur in the least. The point is, it's a quality end result and it did not require tons of complex routings as you imply. It just required a good ear and some talent. Switching to Cubase + VSTs doesn't just automatically make your projects better. One must gel with the workflow of said sequencer. If it doesn't click, your projects will be worse off regardless. Maybe Cubase fits your workflow better, so you get better end results. That's fine... but to suggest you can't get professional results in Reason without tons of complexity is simply false.

[Pete C]

Back on topic, it would seem that Record should go a long way in making Reason sound more "pro" in that the SSL mixer will have EQ, master compression, etc. Perhaps then getting a fatter more "produced" sound will be a bit easier than it is in Reason? I believe all hosts color their sound in some way or another.

zion is getting flamed big time but Reason is clearly not for everyone. However, Record is obviously going to generate more interest in Reason overall because of the integration. Also, it is clear now that the Props are not dead, Reason is not going anywhere, and they have big plans for the future. If R5 steps up with some upgraded effects and yet another new synth, many a KVRist will take notice. Since SO MANY users have copies of Reason lying around, possibly not upgraded, their upgrade pricing makes the "why not" scenario possible for almost everyone.

[zion7]

Zion7, I gave you a clear example of a track done entirely in reason. It's not amateur in the least. The point is, it's a quality end result and it did not require tons of complex routings as you imply. It just required a good ear and some talent. Switching to Cubase + VSTs doesn't just automatically make your projects better. One must gel with the workflow of said sequencer. If it doesn't click, your projects will be worse off regardless. Maybe Cubase fits your workflow better, so you get better end results. That's fine... but to suggest you can't get professional results in Reason without tons of complexity is simply false.

Seriously? Do I need to quote myself at this point? Please put more words into my mouth again and then flame me for something I did not say.

Find me 1 post where I said you can't make great or pro music with Reason? All I said was, from my experience, after having made semi-pro tracks in Reason, Cubase made it even easier to sound even better, quicker. And thats been the experience of all the big producers I know. And we all have had some good success honestly (without tooting my own horn)

Does it come automatically? Of course not. You need skills and a good ear either way. In fact, its even harder harnessing the power of VSTs into a coherent song because they all sound so different and you have to learn to make it your own sound. About Cubase's workflow, I used to hate it. Its much less intuitive than Reason. But once it clicked about 6 months later, it became the best choice for me.

Also, I have read endless posts by Reason users wanting better FX for Reason 5. Or you dispute this?

Anyway, you can disagree with my opinion and thats totally fine. I did not mean to offend anybody here and honestly shocked by the flaming. Well, not that shocked, its KVR. But please try to at least read what I am saying. Flaming me for something I didnt even say is kind of annoying. Regardless, I will stop bugging you guys about this topic. So lets just drop it and keep the flaming to a minimum. We are all artists here trying to make music.

PS @ DanS

1. like all threads it went into a tangent, genius
2. you are not talking about Record yourself, you are talking about me. that makes you a hypocrite
3. go cry me a river

[dan_s]

what the fack is your point?

then WTF is the point of arguing how good Reason is? Why are you even replying to me then and wasting more time? Its called a light-hearted discussion/argument on why people like or dislike Props' products for the purpose of killing time at work. This is a messageboard. Go dry your wet panties

Im not arguing that Reason is good at all. I am replying to you because clearly you are not smart and need to be corrected. The discussion is about Record, as a mentioned, not about "zions phat trance tunes" btw, the wet panties was you mamma's, she left them at my hizouse after we made phat beats wif reason 4.oh oh oh

[LawrenceF]

What the frack is "fack".

Go thread go... Reason is better than Cubase.



Tongue firmly in cheek... that would be "inciting a riot"...

[Meffy]

well then. I am sorry that having an opinion on which software is better offends so many people. Especially when it comes from a long time previous Reason user. I came in this thread to discuss about Record. Sorry if my comments reminded you of how little your mommie loved you. I know I don't get offended if somebody slags a piece of software I use. Grow up people. Or don't and continue to resort to childish insults because your tiny ego is somehow linked to the program you use to make music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

This time, please click the link and read at least the first part of the article, and remain civil if you want to remain part of the discussion. [edit: The last part of that applies to everyone. Thanks.]

[neverfall]

Oops...missed Meffy's quote.


I love Reason. The end.

[ModuLR]

Seriously? Do I need to quote myself at this point? Please put more words into my mouth again and then flame me for something I did not say.

Understand what a flame is... I haven't come close to flaming you. Every response from me has been written clearly, no name calling crap, etc (ok, maybe the small box comment was a little baiting ). I just don't agree with some things you've said. I understand it's from your perspective and what not, but when you make statements like...

You can make high quality music in Reason, I agree. But it takes a lot more work and usually the same project will sound better in Logic or Cubase.

Reason nor Record will ever be the all encompassing solution. You can do your own cool tricks with Reason but thinking clever routing of the M-class compressor compares to the quality that the engineers of Waves have put into their compressors is a joke. There are HUGE sonic differences in quality between plugins and programs. Treating all music as equal is silly. Sound quality matters.

In my small box? That is the most ironic statement I have read on this forum . The Props cannot write the best EVERYTHING. Nobody can. This is why VSTs are the only answer, so you mix and match and can get the best of everything you need. Record is missing way too much functionality to be a true DAW that even competes with a Logic or Cubase

Waves might not be your answer, but surely Reason cannot be the end be all of everything you will ever need, ever!

All of this kinda stuff just rubs me wrong. Especially when I provide a link to music entirely done with reason, wasn't comprised of insanely complex routings, and is top quality start to finish. Quality such that not a single person would know what it was composed in. No thin'ness, none of the typical characteristics that are tied to reason projects. This is why I just don't agree with you.

Find me 1 post where I said you can't make great or pro music with Reason? All I said was, from my experience, after having made semi-pro tracks in Reason, Cubase made it even easier to sound even better, quicker. And thats been the experience of all the big producers I know. And we all have had some good success honestly (without tooting my own horn)

Yes, you have said it's possible... but at the same time you suggest it's more difficult.

then there are these conflicted bits...

I used to be 100% Reason and my first completed song got more success than I could have dreamed of. I started collabing with other artists and before I knew it, I got exposed to Cubase. Almost immediately my sound took off to new levels, even though I had years of experience with Reason. Then it became much easier and quicker for me to put stuff on labels. SO yeah, of course its possible to be successful with Reason alone. But you can't prove that he wouldn't get even MORE success if he used better tools. Until I got GURU, Reason was my sketchpad for putting down beats and ideas quickly. I loved it for that. But then I always had to move the ideas to a serious DAW to get that big sound to compete with the fulltime pros putting out music. Trust me, its much harder with Reason.

Up until this point you've always suggested that it's easier and quicker but...

Does it come automatically? Of course not. You need skills and a good ear either way. In fact, its even harder harnessing the power of VSTs into a coherent song because they all sound so different and you have to learn to make it your own sound. About Cubase's workflow, I used to hate it. Its much less intuitive than Reason. But once it clicked about 6 months later, it became the best choice for me.

So almost immediately your sound went to a new level, but at the same time VST's are harder to harness the power of and it took you 6 months before Cubase clicked. That's fine, but doen't that seen a little conflicted, at least initially?

And to suggest more success with better tools? I mean there are tons of old effects, old synths, old hardware, etc... where does it stop? and creatively does everyone have that same goal?

Also, I have read endless posts by Reason users wanting better FX for Reason 5. Or you dispute this?

I wouldn't dispute that, but in the same breathe you have no idea how good the Mixer is in Record.

Anyway, you can disagree with my opinion and thats totally fine. I did not mean to offend anybody here and honestly shocked by the flaming. Well, not that shocked, its KVR. But please try to at least read what I am saying. Flaming me for something I didnt even say is kind of annoying. Regardless, I will stop bugging you guys about this topic. So lets just drop it and keep the flaming to a minimum. We are all artists here trying to make music.

PS @ DanS

1. like all threads it went into a tangent, genius
2. you are not talking about Record yourself, you are talking about me. that makes you a hypocrite
3. go cry me a river

Yup, it's all opinion.