Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[bluedad]

Let alone someone might just come along, wanting to record a few of his most liked sounds from whatever external synth/expander - how are Record users going to deal with all that?

- Sascha

hmm, I would play the synth part and record the audio. Just like a guitar player would record their part.

[adydub]

Let alone someone might just come along, wanting to record a few of his most liked sounds from whatever external synth/expander - how are Record users going to deal with all that?

- Sascha

hmm, I would play the synth part and record the audio. Just like a guitar player would record their part.

lol!

Nicely illustrates that record does seem to be about working in a different mindset to your average daw. I really like products that are focused on providing the right tools and workflow for a job. I kind of see record as aimed at the type of people who'd have brought a portastudio to record their band back in the day. But with knobs on.

[blank/diod]

This is pure proprietary lock-in, no matter how much you like to call it something else.

Proprietary lock-in? So the fact that Reason never had MIDI out is an attempt to force people to buy Propellerhead's alternatives to hardware synths, namely Reason, the product you had already bought?

Stop trying to interpret everything as a diabolical plan for world domination. They're just not interested in supporting hardware synths. With the emphasis on interested, as in the opposite of bored.

Like me, the founders of Propellerhead were born in the 60's, so when we were in our 20's we used 80's hardware sequencers, synths and drum machines. And like me, the thing they hated most about it was the inability to quickly jump between different projects because you had to store your patches on each machine, scribble down routings and mixer settings on paper, save samples to disk, back up drum patterns to tape and all sorts of idiotic things. Out of this was born a dream to one day be able to save a single file on your computer and have it contain everything you need for total recall of your project. Which is what they did with ReBirth, then Reason, and now Record. No worrying about keeping track of a bunch of separate files, plug-ins, external gear. Anyone who doesn't appreciate or need this can buy any of the fifty-eleven different products available that do MIDI out and VST, so they're hardly "locked in".

[koalaboy]

This is pure proprietary lock-in, no matter how much you like to call it something else.

Proprietary lock-in? So the fact that Reason never had MIDI out is an attempt to force people to buy Propellerhead's alternatives to hardware synths, namely Reason, the product you had already bought?

Well, it certainly woudln't work with any of the existing hardware or software you may have had. I'd call that locked-in.

Stop trying to interpret everything as a diabolical plan for world domination. They're just not interested in supporting hardware synths. With the emphasis on interested, as in the opposite of bored.

I don't see it as a diabolical plan - I see it as a diabolical marketing strategy as many people who would buy the product, now won't. Sure, you'll get the people who don't need hardware or integration but you'd get those anyway.

Like me, the founders of Propellerhead were born in the 60's, so when we were in our 20's we used 80's hardware sequencers, synths and drum machines. And like me, the thing they hated most about it was the inability to quickly jump between different products because you had to store your patches on each machine, scribble down routings and mixer settings on paper, save samples to disk, back up drum patterns to tape and all sorts of idiotic things. Out of this was born a dream to one day be able to save a single file on your computer and have it contain everything you need for total recall of your project. Which is what they did with ReBirth, then Reason, and now Record. No worrying about keeping track of a bunch of separate files, plug-ins, external gear. Anyone who doesn't appreciate or need this can buy any of the fifty-eleven different products available that do MIDI out and VST, so they're hardly "locked in".

I guess as a 70's child, I'm more able to use computer directories and filesystems that it really isn't an issue. Every other DAW I own keeps perfect track of all the files/plugins/gear that I need and I can expand it or contract it *as I choose*.

But you're right. It's not for me. I prefer freedom of choice over being told how I should work - that's why I didn't upgrade to Reason 4, won't be buying record and will choose software that works well with my other software and hardware.

[Meffy]

Well, it certainly woudln't work with any of the existing hardware or software you may have had. I'd call that locked-in.

"Certainly," you say? Strange, when I bought Reason 2.0* it worked fine with all the existing hardware and software I had. Maybe not the way you would've preferred to connect things, but the way I connected them worked without problems.

Not "certain" at all.
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* Since then it's done nothing but get better.

[blank/diod]

Well, it certainly woudln't work with any of the existing hardware or software you may have had. I'd call that locked-in.

You do realize that you're talking about the first music software company ever to say "wouldn't it be great if music applications were able to work together?". ReWire may be old hat *now*, but at the time it was conceived, VST/VSTi didn't exist and your best chance of making two music apps run together was to use a software MIDI patchbay to sync them up via internal MIDI. So they created a standard that would let any two ReWire-enabled applications run in sync and pipe audio and MIDI data with no latency. They were never interested in locking out, they were behind the first initiative to do the opposite. It still doesn't make them any more interested to time travel back to the 80's and support hardware synths, though.

I guess as a 70's child, I'm more able to use computer directories and filesystems that it really isn't an issue. Every other DAW I own keeps perfect track of all the files/plugins/gear that I need and I can expand it or contract it *as I choose*.

Right, because children of the 60's are mentally handicapped and their problem is that they just CAN'T keep track of files, right? Especially C++ programmers born in the 60's, they know very little about these newfangled "computors".

We *can* do a lot of things, we can walk to the supermarket instead of taking the car, we can write letters on paper instead of sending emails, we can sync our files by saving to an external disk, carry the disk to another computer and copy the files on to it, but that doesn't mean we have to like it. If 70's born people hate eliminating inconveniences they by all means, go ahead and manage your files, folders and plugins.

But you're right. It's not for me.

And that's totally cool. Nothing is for everyone, except maybe oxygen and water.

[LawrenceF]

Here we are approaching page 81 and I still don't know why...

1. People feel so strongly about a product that is obviously not going to be of any use to them.

2. People feel the need to repeatedly point out so-called flaws in a product that (according to them) can't compete with products they already use.

Whet is the point exactly? Like me, just *don't buy it*. You can't and shouldn't own everything anyway.

I don't get it. Approaching 100 pages...

And that's totally cool. Nothing is for everyone, except maybe oxygen and water.

Yeah, take a deep breath and have a drink. Maybe something stronger than water.

[VitaminD]

Take Reason 4,
add the "SSL-like" mixer as another extra device,
add audio tracks to the sequencer,
and sell it as Reason 5.
What's wrong with this scenario?

After watching the video demo/brochure on their website I'm wondering the same thing. hmmm...

I could see where they'd say 'ok we didn't want to make an overly large package by incorporating all of this into Reason' but then I'd have to say.. what if you only needed a few of the features of reason? You'd still need to shell out the full price to get them. So I really think it should have been an all-in-one deal.

At the very least they could have had different 'modes' in Reason where the other features of record arent visible to those who don't want them... just a menu with checkable boxes.

I guess it does clean up things for those who just want the record features though.. smaller footprint and such.

It IS a business.. they ARE trying to make the most money they honestly can.. thats the whole point of 'business' and if it isn't they won't be in business for long (which they have). Does anyone really think they're making software because they want people simply to be happy? No way! They're making it because its a tool someone will buy.

At least they give a half off discount to current Reason owners.

Now I wonder if they will make a 'light' version with just the bass-pod and a few recording lanes (yeah right )

[VitaminD]

actually most of what I said is moot:

Two Become One

If you have Reason registered and installed on your computer, all your favorite Reason devices will automatically be available within Record's ever-expandable, multiple racks. No setting up. No ReWire. It just works.

[blank/diod]

Here we are approaching page 81 and I still don't know why...

1. People feel so strongly about a product that is obviously not going to be of any use to them.

2. People feel the need to repeatedly point out so-called flaws in a product that (according to them) can't compete with products they already use.

Whet is the point exactly? Like me, just *don't buy it*. You can't and shouldn't own everything anyway.

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate? Ever wondered why Windows fans feel compelled to jump into forum threads on MacRumors.com? Well, they probably don't know either. They just have to.

VST universe = Windows
Reason/Record = OS X
ReWire = Parallels

- My Windows (VST) system is so great! It's so flexible and I can use it with any plugins I want! Stupid Apple (Props) think they're so cool when they "go their own way". Ridiculous. Conform or die!

- Yeah but OS X (Reason) is rock solid, never crashes and is extremely efficient.

- No fair! Windows has been perfectly stable since Win2K (VST 2.0), those are just old myths perpetuated by brainwashed Mac heads (Props fanboys).

- You do realize that some of us Mac heads (Props fanboys) use Windows (VST hosts) too, right? So we can see these stability issues with our own eyes, we're not holed up in some cave where we make up stories.

- But there are so many great Windows apps (VST plugins) I can't use in OS X (Reason/Record), the OS X equivalents suck!

Repeat ad infinitum.

[Meffy]

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate?

Nope. Those never occur at KVR.

[TristezaOrange]

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate?

Nope. Those never occur at KVR.

True. Everybody on KvR knows PCs are better.

[blank/diod]

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate?

Nope. Those never occur at KVR.

True. Everybody on KvR knows PCs are better.

...and boom, LawrenceF got the additional 100 pages he wanted.

Macs suck, GO!

[nuffink]

Here we are approaching page 81 and I still don't know why...

1. People feel so strongly about a product that is obviously not going to be of any use to them.

2. People feel the need to repeatedly point out so-called flaws in a product that (according to them) can't compete with products they already use.

Whet is the point exactly? Like me, just *don't buy it*. You can't and shouldn't own everything anyway.

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate? Ever wondered why Windows fans feel compelled to jump into forum threads on MacRumors.com? Well, they probably don't know either. They just have to.

VST universe = Windows
Reason/Record = OS X
ReWire = Parallels

- My Windows (VST) system is so great! It's so flexible and I can use it with any plugins I want! Stupid Apple (Props) think they're so cool when they "go their own way". Ridiculous. Conform or die!

- Yeah but OS X (Reason) is rock solid, never crashes and is extremely efficient.

- No fair! Windows has been perfectly stable since Win2K (VST 2.0), those are just old myths perpetuated by brainwashed Mac heads (Props fanboys).

- You do realize that some of us Mac heads (Props fanboys) use Windows (VST hosts) too, right? So we can see these stability issues with our own eyes, we're not holed up in some cave where we make up stories.

- But there are so many great Windows apps (VST plugins) I can't use in OS X (Reason/Record), the OS X equivalents suck!

Repeat ad infinitum.

Yeah. Thanks for reminding me why I rarely admit to using a mac.

[jmh]

Ever seen a Mac vs PC debate?

It was obvious from the beginning on which side of the fence you're on. Thanks for reminding us all about it though.

I have to say though that the alternate universe that's been depicted in this thread so relentlessly has been a fun read, even with 80+ pages