There are some technical merits to not using external plug-ins. Propellerheads use a different type of architecture for their software than other DAWs. They don't use an audio engine but a framework for routing audio/cv/midi and then specific devices tailored to that. That's how they can keep latencies very low. It also makes their software more stable since they never have to worry about unforeseen VST plugins causing problems. Everything is highly tailored and optimized, you wouldn't be able to do some of the more complicated Reason routing with VST plug ins.getthere wrote:1. I'm still not sure why they are so against VSTs (maybe somebody said, But I missed it). PM me if you can explain it to me. If you would be so kind. I would really appreciate it. I've always wondered.
Record: New DAW from Propellerheads
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- KVRAF
- 3374 posts since 2 Oct, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 7316 posts since 7 Mar, 2003
Hmm. And how does an audio engine differ from "a framework for routing audio/cv/midi" ???v1o wrote:There are some technical merits to not using external plug-ins. Propellerheads use a different type of architecture for their software than other DAWs. They don't use an audio engine but a framework for routing audio/cv/midi and then specific devices tailored to that. That's how they can keep latencies very low. It also makes their software more stable since they never have to worry about unforeseen VST plugins causing problems. Everything is highly tailored and optimized, you wouldn't be able to do some of the more complicated Reason routing with VST plug ins.getthere wrote:1. I'm still not sure why they are so against VSTs (maybe somebody said, But I missed it). PM me if you can explain it to me. If you would be so kind. I would really appreciate it. I've always wondered.
Or are you just regurgitating what you read in the Record blog?
Don't get me wrong; I'm as into Props' stuff as anyone... but lets avoid creating a mythology about them pleas. Mmmmkay thanks.
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- KVRian
- 1392 posts since 28 May, 2008 from Saint Paul, MN
Man, this looks REALLY good on the GUI side and the SSL emulation as a full mixing console is very clever 
But I (and many others) have TOO MUCH investment in VSTs and VSTi to just toss everything out so, is there a workaround (that anyone knows of) to making plug-ins work with Record?
It seems like Props is suggesting we do everything within its own environment and just throw out all of our plugins? WTF?! If that's not the case then this software must ONLY be for beginners or those who hate DAWs. FWIW, I fall into the latter category myself but what can I do
They got the right idea here but I don't think it's complete without VST support and it looks like that will never happen
But I (and many others) have TOO MUCH investment in VSTs and VSTi to just toss everything out so, is there a workaround (that anyone knows of) to making plug-ins work with Record? It seems like Props is suggesting we do everything within its own environment and just throw out all of our plugins? WTF?! If that's not the case then this software must ONLY be for beginners or those who hate DAWs. FWIW, I fall into the latter category myself but what can I do
They got the right idea here but I don't think it's complete without VST support and it looks like that will never happen
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- KVRAF
- 3948 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from germany
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 22 Feb, 2009
I asked why...is that too hard to understand. You have a knack for stating the obvious.Broken wrote:They will never support VST. Is it really that hard to understand????
Who cares - i'd much rather a very stable and cpu friendly enviroment. If you want VST support use one of the many other DAWs out there.
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 22 Feb, 2009
That's an intelligent explanation, so, thank you!v1o wrote:There are some technical merits to not using external plug-ins. Propellerheads use a different type of architecture for their software than other DAWs. They don't use an audio engine but a framework for routing audio/cv/midi and then specific devices tailored to that. That's how they can keep latencies very low. It also makes their software more stable since they never have to worry about unforeseen VST plugins causing problems. Everything is highly tailored and optimized, you wouldn't be able to do some of the more complicated Reason routing with VST plug ins.getthere wrote:1. I'm still not sure why they are so against VSTs (maybe somebody said, But I missed it). PM me if you can explain it to me. If you would be so kind. I would really appreciate it. I've always wondered.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
No, other way round - this software is not aimed at those of us who own VSTs. It is aimed at musicians new to computer recording. Great though it is, it really is not aimed at you...blueman wrote: But I (and many others) have TOO MUCH investment in VSTs and VSTi to just toss everything out so, is there a workaround (that anyone knows of) to making plug-ins work with Record?
It seems like Props is suggesting we do everything within its own environment and just throw out all of our plugins? WTF?!
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- KVRAF
- 5112 posts since 5 May, 2005 from Stockholm, Sweden
People with G.A.S. usually want everything they own to be compatible with everything they own.. Otherwise they feel like they're being screwed out of money...
*HEY!! Why isn't this software compatible with my ten different DAWs and my 300+ expensive plug ins?* *This is why I don't get any damn music written!!*
The props are trying to do something D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T....Don't like it? Use something else..
*HEY!! Why isn't this software compatible with my ten different DAWs and my 300+ expensive plug ins?* *This is why I don't get any damn music written!!*
The props are trying to do something D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T....Don't like it? Use something else..
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- something special
- 8627 posts since 16 Mar, 2002 from Birmingham, Alabama
lotus2035 wrote:People with G.A.S. usually want everything they own to be compatible with everything they own.. Otherwise they feel like they're being screwed out of money...
*HEY!! Why isn't this software compatible with my ten different DAWs and my 300+ expensive plug ins?* *This is why I don't get any damn music written!!*
The props are trying to do something D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T....Don't like it? Use something else..
well said!
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- KVRAF
- 7794 posts since 20 Jul, 2004 from Clearwater
Yep, that's why I'm sticking to babya logic.lotus2035 wrote:People with G.A.S. usually want everything they own to be compatible with everything they own.. Otherwise they feel like they're being screwed out of money...
*HEY!! Why isn't this software compatible with my ten different DAWs and my 300+ expensive plug ins?* *This is why I don't get any damn music written!!*
The props are trying to do something D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T....Don't like it? Use something else..
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- KVRAF
- 4340 posts since 8 Mar, 2005
If i may steal that question....neverfall wrote:blank/diod wrote:
To complicate matters even further, I like both coffee and tea, both wine and beer, both Lost and Heroes...
What did you think of the "Lost" finale?
It was fantastic. I typed a long theory before IE barfed.
So, here's the theory:
The LOST we've been watching is the last cycle of a battle between Esau and Jacob, both being immortal. Esau wants to find the loophole to kill Jacob. Jacob knows that Esau won't be able to find it. Somehow Jacob finds out that Esau is going to find the loophole soon and he's going to die. He wants to prevent this from happening. He seeks the help of Illana and crew as a measure of last resort against this.
Jacob's job is to periodically get people on the island and give them a place with no corruption. His theory is that when people get on the island, they will change, have time to realise their past mistakes and won't want to go back to the real world which is corrupted and cannot be changed.
However, Esau hates this. He just wants to be left alone in the island. He hates this constant pestering of people in the island.
The catch is just Esau can't just kill the people that Jacob brings to the island. He has to kill Jacob himself to be left alone and undiscovered. i.e. Esau IS the island and jacob is a force on the island who has control over the island.
Now that we know their history, the only thing left to find out is what the loophole is.
More on that coming next....
