KVR Audio

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:24 am

drunken jesus wrote:I remember hearing something awhile back about you can't use more than 2 synth edit plugins at the same time or something?

Or something ...
it's a well documented problem with SE and some dual-core setups. You can only use one version of a particular SE plugin at a time, but you can still use as many different SE plugins at one time as your CPU can handle.

D N A · Post by **D N A** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:32 am

it's a well documented problem with SE and some dual-core setups. You can only use one version of a particular SE plugin at a time, but you can still use as many different SE plugins at one time as your CPU can handle.

Do you mean only one instance of the same plugin ? I have core2duo and actually never had that bug with any of synthEdit plugins. I think that it affects the plugins generated with some older SynthEdit version. I heard a lot about this bug too but actually never experienced it as SE plugins user...

When I create presets, I usually just end up with 10-15 instances of same plugin and since I did soundsets for Minimogue VA, Genesis CM which are synthEdit then I guess it works

But still - you provided me another idea to test Elektrostudio plugins.

I've gotten the loud sound too in Or2V and one of the other ones, it sounds like a sine wave that increases in volume I'm pretty certain I've heard this sound before in other synthedit vsts the time that i got it tohappen the most was when i had a few of the plugins running at the same time, it'd always happen after i'd let go of the notes, it wouldn't crash anything it'd just get loud and I got it to eventually stop by hitting the stop button a few times

thanks for description. Now I remember that sometimes I had similar experience with different kind of plugins. But I guess it was related with high CPU usage - for example long releases, some reverb, comprossors , limiters and as a result the I had to click "stop" button few times to it finally work

I'm not sure if it not related with some effect plugins that sometimes can be a little bit ... laggy

i don't think there is a problem here, because i use 2 or more MidiToCV
inside my projects without report about that. If other VST SE based
work fine, maybe this is one of the custom module?

thanks for clarifing it

Probably, I'll release these plugins again but actually one by one, not ten at once - so I'll receive more specific data related just with one plugin.

novaflash · Post by **novaflash** » Thu May 21, 2009 6:22 am

"I think that it affects the plugins generated with some older SynthEdit version."

no, with latest version (here from modular synthesis forum and SE official
support forum reports). Jeff, the author, know this bug and it will be fixed into the future version (A.D 2012?)

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Thu May 21, 2009 6:42 am

I'd just hope that the Elektrostudio guy would set up some kind of donation system. I'm sure there are a lot of people here at KvR who would like to show their gratitude...

D N A · Post by **D N A** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:12 am

visa tapani wrote:I'd just hope that the Elektrostudio guy would set up some kind of donation system. I'm sure there are a lot of people here at KvR who would like to show their gratitude...

actually, he won't. I've taken over the future development of this great pack.
you can find more info here:
http://www.vstcafe.com/2009/05/elektros ... ement.html

but please, don't donate me - i'm totally different person, i'm not an author of these plugins and I simply don't deserve the donation.

Barf · Post by **Barf** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:10 pm

I thought the davosynth had some bugs at first, tested it again, its only the second preset that gave me the idea that somethings not right, note keeps hanging but maybe thats supposed to be like that since the presetname has 'hold' in it?

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu May 21, 2009 8:35 pm

You can't run a dual core computer while thinking about a Synthedit synth, even if it's not on your computer.

You can think about C+ and chickens though.

visa tapani · Post by **visa tapani** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:34 pm

D N A wrote:
visa tapani wrote:I'd just hope that the Elektrostudio guy would set up some kind of donation system. I'm sure there are a lot of people here at KvR who would like to show their gratitude...
actually, he won't. I've taken over the future development of this great pack.
you can find more info here:
http://www.vstcafe.com/2009/05/elektros ... ement.html

Yeah I know, but I'd still like to donate to the original developer for his hard work. And I'm sure I'm not the only one...

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri May 22, 2009 4:44 pm

D N A wrote:
it's a well documented problem with SE and some dual-core setups. You can only use one version of a particular SE plugin at a time, but you can still use as many different SE plugins at one time as your CPU can handle.
Do you mean only one instance of the same plugin ?

Yes ... apparently there's a workaround. Copy and rename the .dll file ... for example copy davosynth.dll and name the copy davosynth2.dll
I haven't noticed this bug on my own system, but I rarely, if ever, use the same plugin twice in a project.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:34 pm

I also haven't met that dualcore bug. Having a Core2Duo myself and running several instances of Elektrostudio synth (any), OP-X Pro, etc.

Jerru · Post by **Jerru** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:36 am

Just to let you know, I tested all the VST's in Tracktion 2 tonight.
Now mind you, this was in a blank project with no other VST's.
I just ran through the presets in all of the synths.

There were no noise bursts. I did not want to purposely try to make
this happen by putting them in to full projects or combining with
several Synthedit products, so this is not a comprehensive test.
But this may be rather encouraging.

I have had the noise burst problem with a few other VST's in the past.
But I can't remember which ones they were because I trashed them from
my plug in folder in a hurry. As AM Gold has detailed, I wouldn't wish
that to happen to anyone. It's not pretty.

Anyway DNA, I hope this helps somewhat.
Good Luck!

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:32 pm

cant seem to find a download link

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:25 pm

They are removed until further tested/bugfixed. I'll confess I haven't been back to them this weekend since I've had to go to work both yesterday and today, but I'll try to find time soon to do it.

blatanville · Post by **blatanville** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:33 am

RunBeerRun wrote:You can't run a dual core computer while thinking about a Synthedit synth, even if it's not on your computer.

You can think about C+ and chickens though.

this has been repeated so many times that it's become assumed fact.
I have successfully run three instances of M-Theory (a CPU heavy plugin built in SE) in a continuous 4-bar loop for 10 minutes, while changing presets.
this was on my Intel Mac with a CoreDuo chip at 2.0 GHz, running WinXP SP2 under bootcamp

I appreciate that you're a prolific SE developer, and have probably encountered this bug more often than you'd like to recall, but it is not endemic to all systems/setups/plugins/configurations/etc.

It occurs to me that I've yet to run this "torture test" on my new Quad-core AMD 9600 machine, running Vista Home Premium x64, perhaps later tonight or tomorrow I'll try.
I HAVE have issues with REAPER and energyXT2.5 crashing quite a lot on this new machine/under this OS, but I cannot be sure it is an SE-related problem...

blatanville · Post by **blatanville** » Mon May 25, 2009 2:37 pm

I've done some testing with SE plugins in a multi-core environment.

I made sure that synchronous multi-core was turned ON in REAPER:

then I tested it with String Theory (8 instances):

RichmanCM (8 instances):

GTG PD9 (4 instances):

MinimogueVA (6 instances):

results? no crashes.
Sometimes the audio got pretty glitchy, yes, that's true...but at no point did it cut out completely, and it didn't bring down REAPER (which, as I said above, is something of a miracle for me these past few weeks)

M-Theory, however, when running 3 instances, did crash REAPER.

Conclusion? When running SE plugins in a multi-core environment, YMMV...

please note: I did NOT copy-and-rename any of the plugin .dlls

Elektrostudio Synth Bug Warning (updated)