nice articleDragonSagoth wrote:@DNA - if you're doing fixes to synths, there is one thing about Davosynth you need to take care of: portamento goes only to higher notes, according to this article:
http://www.transanalog.com/museum/davol ... isint.html
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- KVRian
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 27 Apr, 2008
I said about classical to just give an example for my point:Jazz Franco wrote:Some of my fave classical pieces (think Scarlatti or Rameau) were written for the harpsichord, which, I'm afraid is not velocity sensitive.genealex wrote:It's nature that invented a rule that says if something has the same level it sounds emotionless (and annoying after a period of time), so I can't use it the way it is if I want to use it over a long period of time and with the intention to cause emotions to the listener.Aloysius wrote:If you invent a rule for yourself that says you can't use it the way it is, then you can't use it the way it is. Please remember that you invented that rule for yourself or you believed some marketing hype, somewhere along the path of your short life! Nothing more! Nothing less!
Edit: If you still think it's me and not nature, you can listen to a classical piece without level variations and find out.![]()
Of course, that was the main reason it gave way to the piano, still I prefer harpscichord pieces played on the harpsichord, not on some more advanced instrument
Some music doesn't really depends on velocity sensitivity (but can still be awesome -The Prodigy!), but equally, some music depends heavily on velocity sensitivity: imagine Carmina Burana without the dynamics or a piano piece of Yann Tiersen without the expressive use of the velocity sensitivity of the piano.
Or a rock song without the small velocity changes on the strings: without these changes they will just sound so artificial and unexpressive => no place in a rock arrangement.
So what I say is: why to cut in half the usability of these great sounding plugins? I still cannot find a reason not to let them be as expressive as they very easily could be..
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from Adelaide, South Australia
True, but then neither Orff or Tiersen composed on a miniMoog. If I want expressive piano I'll play a piano, if I want expressive strings I'll write for strings (or use a sampler, for example) - not bemoan the fact that I can't shoehorn an inappropriate tool into the role.genealex wrote:some music depends heavily on velocity sensitivity: imagine Carmina Burana without the dynamics or a piano piece of Yann Tiersen without the expressive use of the velocity sensitivity of the piano
Expressive music can be made without velocity sensitivity, but this is achieved by writing within the limitations of the instruments you compose for. Harpsichord is a good example, but listen also to classic electronica like Oxygene - where the dynamics come from mixing and effects (eg phaser crescendos/decrescendos, delay answers, panning etc.)
The only reason is you won't allow them to be expressive, as Aloysius pointed out also. Or maybe they just struggle to enable you to express what you want - again, if I'm trying to compose something sensual sounding I probably wouldn't reach for a melodica, I might try flute or saxophone. OR I might try to compose something for melodica that does sound sensual, just to be stubborn and see if it can be done (sure enough it's possible, just listen to some of the Noir soundtrackgenealex wrote:I still cannot find a reason not to let them be as expressive as they very easily could be.
These are great tools. Maybe you just need to keep searching for the right tools for you though. Or free yourself from the comforting notion that it's the tools that make the music...
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- KVRist
- 149 posts since 23 Sep, 2006 from Germany
the 10 plugs are great,
many thanks to the dev Robert !
I dl them last week and have since that time a lot of fun with it.
they work without problems here (energyXT2), no soundbursts or other bugs
previously found.
my opinion about velocity sensitive...
the plugs are as good as they are in my view.
Some other great freebie-emulations also have no velocity,
the voltkitchen vsti for example I believe.
to make sound dynamically with the possibilities of the filters or ADSR
is the charm of such instruments.
When I think about possible updates
if anything, then I will dream of a Or4V
but now only a fantasy ...
sorry for my googlenglish
many thanks to the dev Robert !
I dl them last week and have since that time a lot of fun with it.
they work without problems here (energyXT2), no soundbursts or other bugs
previously found.
my opinion about velocity sensitive...
the plugs are as good as they are in my view.
Some other great freebie-emulations also have no velocity,
the voltkitchen vsti for example I believe.
to make sound dynamically with the possibilities of the filters or ADSR
is the charm of such instruments.
When I think about possible updates
if anything, then I will dream of a Or4V
but now only a fantasy ...
sorry for my googlenglish
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 27 Apr, 2008
How about having a part with dynamics that you d'love to be played with an harp? And the annoying situation: It's technically possible to print the exact sound you have in your head, but you won't be permitted because yesterday's technology wasn't able to reproduce that!XDVarenkor wrote:True, but then neither Orff or Tiersen composed on a miniMoog. If I want expressive piano I'll play a piano, if I want expressive strings I'll write for strings (or use a sampler, for example)genealex wrote:some music depends heavily on velocity sensitivity: imagine Carmina Burana without the dynamics or a piano piece of Yann Tiersen without the expressive use of the velocity sensitivity of the piano
No doubt. What I say though is that there's no reason for a virtual instrument to have such unnecessary limitations. Sure I can overcome them by sampling each note individually and play them through a sampler, but why to have to do something like that with today's technology? Also I think there's no excuse to limit ourselves to "write for specific instruments" in the current age.. (in the view of minding each instrument's limits)Expressive music can be made without velocity sensitivity, but this is achieved by writing within the limitations of the instruments you compose for.
I'd rather say we should write for specific sounds now...
Don't forget that I have already composed and set the context in a detail, and then I choose the final sound, which comes to limit the composition, when it obviously shouldn't.The only reason is you won't allow them to be expressive
Same as above actually..Or maybe they just struggle to enable you to express what you want - again, if I'm trying to compose something sensual sounding I probably wouldn't reach for a melodica, I might try flute or saxophone. OR I might try to compose something for melodica that does sound sensual
If in your mind it's a melodica playing something sensual, why not to print it as you have it in your mind, since technology permits it?
Because the programmer of the plugin thought "Hey, I'm going to do a melodica. Melodicas can't play sensual. So none of my plugins will be able to play sensual"?!
I simply cannot understand!
I have a lot of confidence when it comes to the value of my music.These are great tools. Maybe you just need to keep searching for the right tools for you though. Or free yourself from the comforting notion that it's the tools that make the music...
Yes, they are great sounding tools.
But do you consider a tool "great" when it's supposed to just give you its sound, and in order it sucks the dynamics out of your performance?
I'm wondering what's the point of not having a version that gets rid of the past's limits.
It's actually the exact same thing as having the new 2020 SuperDaw Sonar 19:
A DAW that emulates the old analogue pro recorders' behaviour. Perfect pleasant analog sound, with a flavor of original tape noise. After every press of the "playback" button the sound quality of the project degrades a bit.
Will your answer still be "this is an excellent tool, just not what you're looking for"? Don't you get what I'm trying to say now?
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Here is a little tribute from me
"Invasion of the ES Synths":
http://www.box.net/shared/3cjpf4tq0v
A rather naive little tune, but I do think it contributes to the demonstrations of the vintage-moods you can get out of these pearls. Cheers ElectroStudio and once again thanks for these
synths
All the Best
"Invasion of the ES Synths":
http://www.box.net/shared/3cjpf4tq0v
A rather naive little tune, but I do think it contributes to the demonstrations of the vintage-moods you can get out of these pearls. Cheers ElectroStudio and once again thanks for these
All the Best
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- KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
Great track!
I love the way it starts classic and then, unexpectedly, turns modern - it would be a fantastic theme for an x-files type of tv series - wow!

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Thanks Mate!Mac of BIOnighT wrote:Great track!I love the way it starts classic and then, unexpectedly, turns modern - it would be a fantastic theme for an x-files type of tv series - wow!
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- KVRian
- 1496 posts since 10 Nov, 2002 from Earth
The very moment I read "the X-Files" I clicked the link 
Definitely a great track! Reminded me of the Blade Runner's closing titles music as well, if they ever make a revamp of the movie, this would suit perfectly. There's a great deal of composing skills shown imo, quite laconic yet with an impact melody- and harmony-wise.
Thanks for sharing!
Definitely a great track! Reminded me of the Blade Runner's closing titles music as well, if they ever make a revamp of the movie, this would suit perfectly. There's a great deal of composing skills shown imo, quite laconic yet with an impact melody- and harmony-wise.
Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for those very kind words, SirJazz Franco wrote:The very moment I read "the X-Files" I clicked the link
Definitely a great track! Reminded me of the Blade Runner's closing titles music as well, if they ever make a revamp of the movie, this would suit perfectly. There's a great deal of composing skills shown imo, quite laconic yet with an impact melody- and harmony-wise.
Thanks for sharing!
All the Best
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- KVRian
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Finally
Sorry for small delay but im just a poor guy who has it's own life too (or maybe I should say work
) and sometimes it's not easy to spend rest day in synthedit, testing stuff etc. After all I'm not a company and there's family too 
Luckily Robert still helps me a lot with this and as always big credit goes to him
http://www.vstcafe.com/2009/05/elektros ... eased.html
First released is Elektrostudio eSLine plugin. The second will be Tapeotronic - very soon (with 90 % probability it'll be tomorrow). The third one will be DavoSynth or ODSay or Rhytmus - depends on further testing.
As usually, if you have any suggestions, bugs etc. report it here or in other, bugs related thread or just greeg@inbox.com or
vstcafe.com. I can assure you that I read every single post in this topic 
Luckily Robert still helps me a lot with this and as always big credit goes to him
http://www.vstcafe.com/2009/05/elektros ... eased.html
First released is Elektrostudio eSLine plugin. The second will be Tapeotronic - very soon (with 90 % probability it'll be tomorrow). The third one will be DavoSynth or ODSay or Rhytmus - depends on further testing.
As usually, if you have any suggestions, bugs etc. report it here or in other, bugs related thread or just greeg@inbox.com or
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- KVRAF
- 37262 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from Scottish Borders
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- KVRian
- 1074 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
Good to hear that - on my Ableton Live Suite 7, also didnt experience any nasty bugs with eSLinethecontrolcentre wrote:Thanks for the update D N A. Will check it out in Live 8 ... What has been changed? I have had no problems with earlier releases as yet.
- well, small VCA volume and overall patch volume tweaks to prevent distortions.
- sound stops playing when switching between presets. It prevents the scenario where you're switching to overall louder preset but the long release, echo from previous preset still exists - as a result sound can be louder.
- some keyboard display fixes (related with switching presets).
- one patch added / changed
There may be some bugs on certain hosts but overall I agreed with Robert that eSLine plugin was least bugged. We did some testing and were quite satisfied.
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- KVRAF
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Thanks a lot for this generous work DNA.
Just a quick question re: the updates: can we just swap the dlls with the one that were installed by the original installer?
Thanks
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Just a quick question re: the updates: can we just swap the dlls with the one that were installed by the original installer?
Thanks
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- KVRian
- 1074 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
yes 
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