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LiteOn · Post by **LiteOn** » Mon May 18, 2009 7:49 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:I have no plans to change the fixed attack and release settings for The Glue, but this sort of thing is definitely a possibility for future products.

Well, I guess I have to live with it.

andy_cytomic wrote: As for all dB settings you can change them to a very fine precision by holding down the "alt" key while dragging. Currently I only display rounded values to the nearest dB but internally they are stored at full precision. I am will update the display of dB to round to the nearest 0.5 for the next release.

Oups, that has escpaded my notice, glad that I had asked.

Cheers,
LiteOn

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:28 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Would it be much more work to display with a resolution down to .1 or even .01? There have already been a few posts that indicate users aren't picking up on the fact that the resolution is much higher than displayed. People are assuming it's working in 1db steps, even though you don't hear any stepping when increasing the output gain. It might be best to just show the full resolution.

I'm deliberately making the display resolution only accurate to 0.5 dB so that people don't worry 0.1 of a dB here or there. This is done to try and make the entire process of using The Glue a little more "analog", where you adjust something till it sounds right and don't worry too much about the fine print since there isn't any to read. What I would like to do in the future is allow textual input of exact numbers so if you really want a setting of -5.4732 dB you can get it

Andrew Simper

adl · Post by **adl** » Mon May 18, 2009 8:34 pm

Good point Andy!
0,5dB resolution is fine

JUST BRING IT ON!

rydan · Post by **rydan** » Sat May 23, 2009 12:18 pm

Silly question perhaps, but, just out of curiosity, is the Glue a feedback design? (Guess it's the same as the SSL comp, and if I remember correctly the SSL is a feedback design, so logic would imply the Glue to be as well.)

I have realized I generally tend to prefer feedback comps over feedforward ones, and I do like the Glue, so, that's why I'm asking... =)

lordnielson · Post by **lordnielson** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:25 pm

It's feedforward.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:43 pm

rydan wrote:Silly question perhaps, but, just out of curiosity, is the Glue a feedback design? (Guess it's the same as the SSL comp, and if I remember correctly the SSL is a feedback design, so logic would imply the Glue to be as well.)

I have realized I generally tend to prefer feedback comps over feedforward ones, and I do like the Glue, so, that's why I'm asking... =)

All SSL bus compressor designs are feedback and so is The Glue. The characteristic sound of The Glue depends on the non-linear feedback design of the sidechain follower which cannot be done with a feedforward compressor.

Andrew Simper

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sat May 23, 2009 6:44 pm

lordnielson wrote:It's feedforward.

If you are referring to The Glue you are incorrect, but you did have a 50/50 chance

Andrew Simper

lordnielson · Post by **lordnielson** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:09 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:
lordnielson wrote:It's feedforward.
If you are referring to The Glue you are incorrect, but you did have a 50/50 chance

Andrew Simper

I thought Neve was feedback and SSL, Smart etc. was feedforward.

Because: On my Portico 5043 when I go feedback mode it gets gooey and warm like old Neve stuff. When it's in feedforward mode it gets snappy like SSL comps.

Or maybe I'm just senile and backwards today

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sat May 23, 2009 8:53 pm

No worries at all. Sorry for having to post but I didn't want any incorrect information being posted.

Andrew Simper

lordnielson · Post by **lordnielson** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:10 am

andy_cytomic wrote:No worries at all. Sorry for having to post but I didn't want any incorrect information being posted.

Andrew Simper

For sure mate. I'd rather know the truth. Too much reading at Gearslutz it seems:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4171444-post2.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/2970243-post9.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1462724-post27.html

It's apparently quite a common misconception.

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sun May 24, 2009 11:07 am

lordnielson wrote:
andy_cytomic wrote:No worries at all. Sorry for having to post but I didn't want any incorrect information being posted.

Andrew Simper
For sure mate. I'd rather know the truth. Too much reading at Gearslutz it seems:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4171444-post2.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/2970243-post9.html

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1462724-post27.html

It's apparently quite a common misconception.

From a quick read I see they are not talking about the envelope follower, which I think is the critical thing here, they are talking about the fact their are two amps instead of one that are being controlled by the envelope follower. This to me misses the point of what feedback is, but I will double check on the official definitions with some more people.

What happens in The Glue is the input signal gets split between two amps, the sidechain amp, and the main amp. The sidechain section is feedback, since the signal goes into the sidechain amp, then through the ratio shaper, then into the envelope follower then this control voltage is offset by the threshold voltage and fed to the sidechain amp again making this a feedback structure. The same control signal voltage is also taken post envelope follower, but the makeup gain is added and this is used to control the main signal. In a feedforward design the envelope follower itself has no feedback. In this regard the circuit of the 1176 and the g-series compressor are the same, other than the 1176 having only one "amp" being controlled by the control voltage instead of two as in the g-series.

I'll knock up a diagram to show what I mean. The main benefits of having two amps instead of one is (a) you can decouple threshold from makeup gain (in the 1776 you have to increase the input gain to get the circuit to compress) and (b) you can also have an external signal driving the sidechain instead of just the main signal.

Andrew Simper

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:18 pm

flynsk · Post by **flynsk** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:46 pm

Any plans to offer an academic discount on The Glue?

andy-cytomic · Post by **andy-cytomic** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:10 pm

flynsk wrote:Any plans to offer an academic discount on The Glue?

I prefer to be fair to everyone, not just students. The Glue is already half the price of competing products and offers more functionality with less invasive copy protection.

Andrew Simper

flynsk · Post by **flynsk** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:45 pm

andy_cytomic wrote:The Glue is already half the price of competing products and offers more functionality.

True. That's why I'm pretty well sold already... it's just that sale will have to take place in faraway MONTH X.

Thank you for your quick reply.
-F

Cytomic 'The Glue' Compressor