What do you think of Kore 2?

[koalaboy]

Does this mean, I can install VSTs all over the hard disk without caring, and Kore into it's own directory... then, just let my host find Kore, and I load the other VSTs into Kore (which remembers where they came from), setup the sounds (from multiple VSTs), FX and controller mappings, and save all this as a preset in Kore ?

Nope. Kore only allows for one plugin folder on Windows; on a Mac, there's only a couple places it can be, so all of them are included.

Only one plugin folder is a shame - perhaps it works with shortcuts as well, in the same way Live does ? I assume it handles subdirectories of that one folder.

If I have a kore preset and one of the VSTs I was referencing has moved, does Kore prompt me to point to it's new location ?

See above. Where are you going to move it to?

The move doesn't apply so much if it only allows one folder. A similar question would be if the 'one place' changed (say, for example, I re-installed my machine, and used different folder names - I want to use my Kore presets, but the subidrectory that plugin-A was in has a different name ?)

Does Kore support OSC ?

Not at the present. That was supposed to be part of a v1 update, but it hasn't happened yet

Oh well. I can always host it in Bidule in the mean time. It is sounding very tempting, but the main concerns are no 64bit version (for hosting 64bit Kontakt, and also how it would handle 32-bit plugins if it was 64bit) and how well it handles multicore.

I like the fact it can consolidate my sounds into one interface and location, but if this reduces performance too much (if I'm running 4 plugins, they'd be multithreaded in the host - would they be in Kore ?) then I'm not sure how much of a win it is.

I should say though, I really appreciate you answering these questions though, ew (and I apologise for slightly hijacking the topic).

[ew]

Only one plugin folder is a shame - perhaps it works with shortcuts as well, in the same way Live does ? I assume it handles subdirectories of that one folder.

Shortcuts won't work- Live's one of the few apps I know of that will work with shortcuts. Subdirectories work fine.

The move doesn't apply so much if it only allows one folder. A similar question would be if the 'one place' changed (say, for example, I re-installed my machine, and used different folder names - I want to use my Kore presets, but the subidrectory that plugin-A was in has a different name ?)

Yeah, you'll be asked for the location.

Oh well. I can always host it in Bidule in the mean time. It is sounding very tempting, but the main concerns are no 64bit version (for hosting 64bit Kontakt, and also how it would handle 32-bit plugins if it was 64bit) and how well it handles multicore.

Kore doesn't do multicore. In a host, use multiple instances.

ew

[aMUSEd]

So more questions then.

Does this mean, I can install VSTs all over the hard disk without caring, and Kore into it's own directory... then, just let my host find Kore,

No not "all over the HD without caring" - just in a central VST folder as usual and point Kore to that, then point your host to Kore's folder rather than the whole VST folder. That's just what I do though and only in some hosts but it won't suit everyone (I don't use lots of mastering effects for example).

and I load the other VSTs into Kore (which remembers where they came from), setup the sounds (from multiple VSTs), FX and controller mappings, and save all this as a preset in Kore ?

Yes you can load any third party VST into Kore, once scanned in it will remember their positions, and yes for each VST you can set up controller mappings, layer it with multiple plugins (including Kore's internal effects and midi plugins), set up complex multi Sounds, and create morphing variations using the XY pad, and save all that as a KoreSound.

If I don't save it as a preset in Kore, is it stored in the 'preset' my host will see Kore as having, so when I reload the project this will just work ?

Yes (unless there's a bug in that particular VST)

If I have a kore preset and one of the VSTs I was referencing has moved, does Kore prompt me to point to it's new location ?

You know I've not encountered that situation so I tested it out by loading a third party preset into Korg Monopoly, making a project using it in Reaper, then saving the Reaper project and reopening it after moving the Monopoly bank to another folder. Happily it still loaded the patch so my guess is a copy of it is stored with the project so even if the original is moved it doesn't matter. From past experience I know this does not apply to samples though - if you use a Kore project with say a Kontakt patch and move the samples it will prompt you to load them.

Does Kore support OSC ?

No I don't think so - at least not yet (of course some of it's components do like Reaktor)

[koalaboy]

Does Kore support OSC ?

No I don't think so - at least not yet (of course some of it's components do like Reaktor)

As I own Reaktor, does this mean it could receive the OSC messages and convert them into MIDI/Control to effect other components in the Kore patch - can it still receive OSC when embedded into Kore ?

I've seen the Reaktor Kore toolkit.

[ew]

Nope. Reaktor can't use OSC as a plugin.

ew

[aMUSEd]

Oh I didn't know that. Bidule plays nicely with Kore though.

[koalaboy]

Oh I didn't know that. Bidule plays nicely with Kore though.

Bidule is one I've been looking at, especially for this sort of thing. I'm also wanting to see just how much control I get with Max4Live though, as that would potentially reduce the amount of extra 'wrappers' I'd need.

[koalaboy]

Hold on just a minute... !!!

I can assign user controls (8 per page) to anything within the 'rack', yes ? And have multiple pages (not sure how many) ?

So I could theoretically create a kore patch that loads my jBridged ( ) VST, and has the controls I need all mapped, such that I don't care about the quirky alter-process-GUI bits, and have them all neatly sorted !

(Okay, so I can kind of do that in Live now as well, with their parameter mapping).

I suppose I'm trying to work out what the big win is over doing the same thing in Live, but then maybe the big win is that I can also use it in Podium as well with the same patches and not worrying about conversion

So do I go for the Kore 2 hardware as well, or just the software and think about the APC40 instead Is the 'extra' resolution of the Kore 2 controller knobs accessible via automation (or MIDI NRPN or..) ? I assume it must be via automation, as otherwise the host couldn't sequence to that degree....

It is Friday, right ?

Edit: Well, the deed is done - Just ordered the Kore 2 Software edition, along with electronic experience, half-price Battery 3, and an Akai APC-40

[jackmazzotti]

hi

some questions

1
can i create a template for omnisphere/stylus rmx so no matter what preset i load (using omnisphere/stylus rmx browser) the controls will always always be the same (one page for filters/one for oscillators, envelopes etc)?

2
can the same be done with virus control?

3
can delay feedback loops be created?

i made a patch on an eventide harmonizer that fed delays continuously into a freq shifter
each repetion of the delay was cycled back into the feq shifter causing an accumulative freq shifting effect
can kore do things like that

ableton live can do things like that but it takes up lots of screen real-estate

4
can i load the complete version of true strike or flying hand into kore or do i need to buy kontakt

[Lotuzia]

Hold on just a minute... !!!

I can assign user controls (8 per page) to anything within the 'rack', yes ? And have multiple pages (not sure how many) ?

So I could theoretically create a kore patch that loads my jBridged ( ) VST, and has the controls I need all mapped, such that I don't care about the quirky alter-process-GUI bits, and have them all neatly sorted !

You can only assign the exposed parameters. But yeah most of the times answer is yes.

As for the number of pages you can have up to 60 pages if I remember well (around 1000 parameters) though obviously such a long list would be terribler to access/manage, BUT certain hosts like Live will limitthe number of parameters to 128.

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

hi

some questions

1
can i create a template for omnisphere/stylus rmx so no matter what preset i load (using omnisphere/stylus rmx browser) the controls will always always be the same (one page for filters/one for oscillators, envelopes etc)?

2
can the same be done with virus control?

3
can delay feedback loops be created?

i made a patch on an eventide harmonizer that fed delays continuously into a freq shifter
each repetion of the delay was cycled back into the feq shifter causing an accumulative freq shifting effect
can kore do things like that

ableton live can do things like that but it takes up lots of screen real-estate

4
can i load the complete version of true strike or flying hand into kore or do i need to buy kontakt

1/ >Yes
2/ Dunno
3/ Yes. Flexible router
4/ Dont know

[aMUSEd]

hi

some questions

1
can i create a template for omnisphere/stylus rmx so no matter what preset i load (using omnisphere/stylus rmx browser) the controls will always always be the same (one page for filters/one for oscillators, envelopes etc)?

2
can the same be done with virus control?

1 - Yes

2 - Yes (already done - see here)

http://www.fingermarks.co.uk/music/Viru ... mplate.ksd

[aMUSEd]

As for the number of pages you can have up to 60 pages if I remember well (around 1000 parameters) though obviously such a long list would be terribler to access/manage, BUT certain hosts like Live will limitthe number of parameters to 128.

LtZ

Actually Live 8 has a workaround for that limitation in that you can choose which 128 are used (instead of the first 128). Also in Kore you can change the order of pages anyway so that the params you want to expose in Live are at the top.

[ew]

can i load the complete version of true strike or flying hand into kore or do i need to buy kontakt

You'd need Kontakt. The internal engines only play material tagged for use with them unless you also have the full version of the particular plugin installed.

ew

[torhan]

Just wanted to say thanks for all the info guys! I will be installing the Demo tonight!