Lead Singer Disease

[Chuck E. Jesus]

*For example, Jeff Beck has never been that successful commercially in comparison to many despite the admiration of fans. Most people don't even know who Jeff Beck is...at least now.

he was on f**king american idol playing with kelly clarkson...Blow By Blow is one of the most successful instrumental albums of all time...

As an all-instrumental album it was a surprising commercial success, with a jazz fusion-like approach seldom seen on best-selling lists at the time.

[kelvyn]

... I have gone into hiding in order to escape a KVR Fatwa. Actually I'm off to find grace. Peace K

It's all in fun, hun.

Thanks! I needed that


Eduardo_b wrote
'What about Jimi Page, Jeff Beck, Duane Allman, Carlos Santana, Peter Green, Robert Fripp, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi? Don't even think that anyone on that list did backing vocals, let alone lead vocals. '


Actually Peter Green was a fantastic singer, Check out 'Man of the world''The green manalishi' 'Oh well' and 'Need your Love' from the original Fleetwood Mac.

And Jeff Beck has worked with some great singers like Rod Stewart (before he became a sailor) and the great Bobby Tench who actually gave up singing to concentrate on playing the guitar (with Van Morrison) cos he hated the sound of his voice. Both sung in different verions of the Jeff Beck Group. But Jeff Beck actually sung his biggest hit 'Hi Ho Silver Lining'. Although it's not exactly the greatest vocal performance.

Peace K

[vespers75]

The facts, as already noted, are that food and music have very different roles in the lives of most people -- meaning, not musicians or singers. Food is not a discretionary income category, whereas music is. The amount of money spent on food -- fast food versus fine dining -- is irrelevant, whereas the discretionary income spent on music with lead singers versus instrumental music is completely relevant.

Bullshit. You've never been poor, have you? Not all food is in question...just fast-food and fine dining restaurants. Both of which are optional and purchased using "discretionary income"...just like music.

If you are living off of government cheese and peanut butter, you aren't going to Pizza Hut or Al Pomodoro...nor buying CDs.

[eduardo_b]

With only a few very rare exceptions, all the best known, most successful guitarists also sing.

Really?

What about Jimi Page, Jeff Beck, Duane Allman, Carlos Santana, Peter Green, Robert Fripp, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi? Don't even think that anyone on that list did backing vocals, let alone lead vocals.

Hardly a 'few rare exceptions'.

I don't consider all of these* to be the most successful guitarists relative to those who are, and the ones that are still represent a minute percentage of the whole.

Actually I got all of these from Rolling Stone's list of top 100 guitarists. Considering that list is 9 of 100, that's 9%. Not sure that 9% is considered a 'minute percentage'.

You really don't know when to quit when you're behind, do you...

Because 100 is hardly the universe of guitarists who have recorded their music, and I think you are mistaken regarding those that haven't sung. Whatever. It's not a contest. Singers rule in commercial music.

[eduardo_b]

The facts, as already noted, are that food and music have very different roles in the lives of most people -- meaning, not musicians or singers. Food is not a discretionary income category, whereas music is. The amount of money spent on food -- fast food versus fine dining -- is irrelevant, whereas the discretionary income spent on music with lead singers versus instrumental music is completely relevant.

Bullshit. You've never been poor, have you? Not all food is in question...just fast-food and fine dining restaurants. Both of which are optional and purchased using "discretionary income"...just like music.

If you are living off of government cheese and peanut butter, you aren't going to Pizza Hut or Al Pomodoro...nor buying CDs.

Being poor is not part of this discussion. If you want to keep moving the target, I'm not going along with it.

[robogone]

*For example, Jeff Beck has never been that successful commercially in comparison to many despite the admiration of fans. Most people don't even know who Jeff Beck is...at least now.

he was on f**king american idol playing with kelly clarkson...Blow By Blow is one of the most successful instrumental albums of all time...

He's also been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice (once as part of the Yardbirds and in the 2009 induction as a solo artist).

He had commercial success in the Yardbirds had a couple of solo single successes in the 60s, success with the Jeff Beck Group and god knows how many gigs as a sideman.

[kelvyn]

With only a few very rare exceptions, all the best known, most successful guitarists also sing.

Really?

What about Jimi Page, Jeff Beck, Duane Allman, Carlos Santana, Peter Green, Robert Fripp, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi? Don't even think that anyone on that list did backing vocals, let alone lead vocals.

Hardly a 'few rare exceptions'.

I don't consider all of these* to be the most successful guitarists relative to those who are, and the ones that are still represent a minute percentage of the whole.

Actually I got all of these from Rolling Stone's list of top 100 guitarists. Considering that list is 9 of 100, that's 9%. Not sure that 9% is considered a 'minute percentage'.

You really don't know when to quit when you're behind, do you...

Because 100 is hardly the universe of guitarists who have recorded their music, and I think you are mistaken regarding those that haven't sung. Whatever. It's not a contest. Singers rule in commercial music.

I thought songs rule in commercial music Just kidding

[robogone]

With only a few very rare exceptions, all the best known, most successful guitarists also sing.

Really?

What about Jimi Page, Jeff Beck, Duane Allman, Carlos Santana, Peter Green, Robert Fripp, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi? Don't even think that anyone on that list did backing vocals, let alone lead vocals.

Hardly a 'few rare exceptions'.

I don't consider all of these* to be the most successful guitarists relative to those who are, and the ones that are still represent a minute percentage of the whole.

Actually I got all of these from Rolling Stone's list of top 100 guitarists. Considering that list is 9 of 100, that's 9%. Not sure that 9% is considered a 'minute percentage'.

You really don't know when to quit when you're behind, do you...

Because 100 is hardly the universe of guitarists who have recorded their music, and I think you are mistaken regarding those that haven't sung. Whatever. It's not a contest. Singers rule in commercial music.

No 100 is not the universe, but 9 of a sample of 100 is probably not out of the ordinary.

You'll do anything to not lose an argument won't you? I've never been able to understand that "I'm right the rest of the world is wrong attitude" in anyone.

[eduardo_b]

*For example, Jeff Beck has never been that successful commercially in comparison to many despite the admiration of fans. Most people don't even know who Jeff Beck is...at least now.

he was on f**king american idol playing with kelly clarkson...Blow By Blow is one of the most successful instrumental albums of all time...

As an all-instrumental album it was a surprising commercial success, with a jazz fusion-like approach seldom seen on best-selling lists at the time.

You really think Jeff Beck is well known from albums that came out 30 plus years ago? That was my only point. I'm just doubting he is known to people buying Lil Wayne and Eminem.

I don't watch AI, so I didn't realize he was one it. Very cool. Thanks for that info.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

Both sung in different verions of the Jeff Beck Group but he actually sung his biggest hit 'Hi Ho Silver Lining'.

Peace K

thank you...there's also YT of Jimmy Page as a kid signing on tv with his brother, and he used to sing back up on early Zep tracks...and i've seen Carlos singing bu as well...


in my last band, i was a back up singer...every time i went up to the mic to sing, they told me to back up :rimshot:

[robogone]

*For example, Jeff Beck has never been that successful commercially in comparison to many despite the admiration of fans. Most people don't even know who Jeff Beck is...at least now.

he was on f**king american idol playing with kelly clarkson...Blow By Blow is one of the most successful instrumental albums of all time...

As an all-instrumental album it was a surprising commercial success, with a jazz fusion-like approach seldom seen on best-selling lists at the time.

You really think Jeff Beck is well known from albums that came out 30 plus years ago? That was my only point. I'm just doubting he is known to people buying Lil Wayne and Eminem.

You think Elvis or the Beatles aren't well known because their albums were released over 30 years ago? I doubt that Lil Wayne and Eminem fans know who the Beatles or Elvis are, but that doesn't make them any less popular.

Either way, it still doesn't change the fact that there's a significant percentage of guitarists who don't sing.

[eduardo_b]

With only a few very rare exceptions, all the best known, most successful guitarists also sing.

Really?

What about Jimi Page, Jeff Beck, Duane Allman, Carlos Santana, Peter Green, Robert Fripp, Ritchie Blackmore, Eddie Van Halen or Tony Iommi? Don't even think that anyone on that list did backing vocals, let alone lead vocals.

Hardly a 'few rare exceptions'.

I don't consider all of these* to be the most successful guitarists relative to those who are, and the ones that are still represent a minute percentage of the whole.

Actually I got all of these from Rolling Stone's list of top 100 guitarists. Considering that list is 9 of 100, that's 9%. Not sure that 9% is considered a 'minute percentage'.

You really don't know when to quit when you're behind, do you...

Because 100 is hardly the universe of guitarists who have recorded their music, and I think you are mistaken regarding those that haven't sung. Whatever. It's not a contest. Singers rule in commercial music.

No 100 is not the universe, but 9 of a sample of 100 is probably not out of the ordinary.

You'll do anything to not lose an argument won't you? I've never been able to understand that "I'm right the rest of the world is wrong attitude" in anyone.

If you were running a record company and wanted to sell lots of product, you'd sign bands with lead singers. I don't even know of any currently signed bands without singers. There's no agrument to lose given this reality. You may not agree with the music marketplace, but consumers buy what they like, and they like singers. It's been this way for decades...lots of them.

[Chuck E. Jesus]

You really think Jeff Beck is well known from albums that came out 30 plus years ago? That was my only point. I'm just doubting he is known to people buying Lil Wayne and Eminem.

but your point sucks...people still talk about Charlie Parker, people still listen to Bach...Jeff Beck still fills the big halls...

[kelvyn]

*For example, Jeff Beck has never been that successful commercially in comparison to many despite the admiration of fans. Most people don't even know who Jeff Beck is...at least now.

he was on f**king american idol playing with kelly clarkson...Blow By Blow is one of the most successful instrumental albums of all time...

As an all-instrumental album it was a surprising commercial success, with a jazz fusion-like approach seldom seen on best-selling lists at the time.

You really think Jeff Beck is well known from albums that came out 30 plus years ago? That was my only point. I'm just doubting he is known to people buying Lil Wayne and Eminem.

No! That would be Jimmy Page

[vespers75]

The facts, as already noted, are that food and music have very different roles in the lives of most people -- meaning, not musicians or singers. Food is not a discretionary income category, whereas music is. The amount of money spent on food -- fast food versus fine dining -- is irrelevant, whereas the discretionary income spent on music with lead singers versus instrumental music is completely relevant.

Bullshit. You've never been poor, have you? Not all food is in question...just fast-food and fine dining restaurants. Both of which are optional and purchased using "discretionary income"...just like music.

If you are living off of government cheese and peanut butter, you aren't going to Pizza Hut or Al Pomodoro...nor buying CDs.

Being poor is not part of this discussion. If you want to keep moving the target, I'm not going along with it.

Fast food and fine dining were aspects of the analogy we were discussing. Yet you tried to imply that they were necessities, which they are not. I'm not moving the target...you simply don't like being corrected. You asked me in what ways I thought that analogy was good...I attempt to explain and you don't like what I have to say. As usual, I might add. Don't ask questions, then accuse of others of going off topic when someone addresses those questions merely because the repsonses make you look stupid.