KVR Audio

daradei · Post by **daradei** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:36 pm

Hmm... just checked Minimoog V2 and SubBoomBass - they have demos which don't seem to require any dongle.

Well, it's OK then but I always thought, everything is crackable till I read, latest synchrosoft code has not been.

Under special circuits I meant the special and unique character and architecture of a synth. Probably I'm a bit noob hardware-wise

but I don't believe Virus, Nord Lead or Roland V-Synth could be reproduced as VSTi-s. Why did they release Virus POWERCORE, not simply a VST in the past? to keep it expensive?

aka_bip · Post by **aka_bip** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:13 am

I'd say, but those SHARCs are pretty f**king warm... so much mojo.. and nuance...

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:36 am

masstronaut wrote:Sounds a lot like the Blofeld to me.

It's not just about the resonance / drive / self-osc with that filter. Put some harmonically complex material (like say two moving wavetables FMing each other) through it and you'll hear.

That's what i thought from those youtube vids. Definitely has the raw quality in the filters. The mp3 demos sound quite tame by comparison...

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:37 am

daradei wrote:
thoshu wrote:
musikmachine wrote:

nice try but show me hypersaw with reverb playing a decent trance melody

rob_lee, sounds like a request to me.

daradei · Post by **daradei** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:48 am

musikmachine wrote:
daradei wrote:
thoshu wrote:
musikmachine wrote:

nice try but show me hypersaw with reverb playing a decent trance melody
rob_lee, sounds like a request to me.

really looking forward to some preset-porn as soon as someone gets their hands on it... I ain't dare to say tweak-teaser since those horrible official videos like

sophtrazor · Post by **sophtrazor** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:05 am

Germans are such sadists!

daradei · Post by **daradei** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:09 am

Sadists of synthesis, Mengele's of music

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:17 am

musikmachine wrote:
daradei wrote:
thoshu wrote:
musikmachine wrote:

nice try but show me hypersaw with reverb playing a decent trance melody
rob_lee, sounds like a request to me.

well from the pdf manual im seeing 4 layers each with 3 oscs with 8 of those oscs having sub oscs which is a great start

hypersaw should be no problem with this thing given it's features

rob

ckatrun411 · Post by **ckatrun411** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:24 am

rob_lee wrote: hypersaw should be no problem with this thing given it's features

rob

Just tell me how the arp is, and post some music when you get your hands on it.

And be gentle, we trying very hard not to crack a safe nowadays.........

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:29 am

ckatrun411 wrote:
rob_lee wrote: hypersaw should be no problem with this thing given it's features

rob

Just tell me how the arp is, and post some music when you get your hands on it.

And be gentle, we trying very hard not to crack a safe nowadays.........

hi

also it says that each osc in each layer can be sent to the arpeggiator or not

so the arp can be programmed seperate for each and every layer which is great although all these features do make me wonder if it's gonna hog the cpu..

maybe it should have been able to run on a pci card like powercore or something but i won't know till tuesday when i install

yeah i'll do some demo when iv'e had a few days with it no probs...again by reading the manual i don't think the guys demoing largo on youtube have shown it's full potential..just my opinion of course.

rob

Megakazbek · Post by **Megakazbek** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:32 am

daradei wrote:Under special circuits I meant the special and unique character and architecture of a synth.

Well, in digital domain, the architecture of a synth is defined by its programming, i.e. immaterial thing independent of any kind of hardware.

daradei wrote:Probably I'm a bit noob hardware-wise but I don't believe Virus, Nord Lead or Roland V-Synth could be reproduced as VSTi-s.

It is not a question of belief. Any algorithm can be reproduced on any compatible hardware with exact same result, it's just how digital stuff works. In particular, any digital synth can be exactly reproduced as VSTi, should its developer choose to do so.

daradei wrote:Why did they release Virus POWERCORE, not simply a VST in the past? to keep it expensive?

The simplest answer - they don't care to bother with all the VST stuff. It's not like they can wave a magic wand and make VST version instantly appear out of nowhere; doing a VST requires a lot of work and they are already busy with hardware and don't care about anything else as they're already making lots of money.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:35 am

Megakazbek wrote:
daradei wrote:Under special circuits I meant the special and unique character and architecture of a synth.
Well, in digital domain, the architecture of a synth is defined by its programming, i.e. immaterial thing independent of any kind of hardware.

daradei wrote:Probably I'm a bit noob hardware-wise but I don't believe Virus, Nord Lead or Roland V-Synth could be reproduced as VSTi-s.
It is not a question of belief. Any algorithm can be reproduced on any compatible hardware with exact same result, it's just how digital stuff works. In particular, any digital synth can be exactly reproduced as VSTi, should its developer choose to do so.

daradei wrote:Why did they release Virus POWERCORE, not simply a VST in the past? to keep it expensive?
The simplest answer - they don't care to bother with all the VST stuff. It's not like they can wave a magic wand and make VST version instantly appear out of nowhere; doing a VST requires a lot of work and they are already busy with hardware and don't care about anything else as they're already making lots of money.

+1

well said

rob

ckatrun411 · Post by **ckatrun411** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:36 am

Yep, we wont know about cpu, until we get user feedback. I don't think it has to be a hog though. If its coded well, it should fly.

Massive, I hear, is a CPU hog. Rapture isn't-- Isn't at all. Hopefully Largo is of that quality.

Anyways, I do freeze tracks, and especially when my projects are stacked high with Rapture instances. One of the best things about Ableton Live, is the way it handles track freezing. Ableton is great for that.

R U using Ableton?

Any amazing synth is going to need CPU. But Predator, there's a good example of a three osc synth, with sub oscillators, that is not a cpu hog.

Cheers

PS.. I hope she's good on CPU for you. Can't wait to hear some tunage.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:41 am

No im not using Ableton..i used to have the Ableton Live 7 suite but for some silly reason i sold it

Im using Sonar 8pe and i also use Cubase 5.1 so i'll test on both.
Personally though iv'e had Waldorf gear for as long as i can remember and like the distinctive sound they have.I can't see why Largo would sound any different to their hardware given that hardware is software in a box

oh and largo will look nice when i order that presonus studio one on release

i like silver lol

rob

sovietpop · Post by **sovietpop** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:46 am

If it sound anything like the Q its going to be a must.

I really like the Waldorf sound. I do own a Q and imho it sound better than 90% of vst i've tried.
It doesn't sound analogue at all , its pure digital but in a good way.
The osc are rich , warm with extreme bottom end and they sounds alive .
The filters are quit amazing ihmo and the combo filters are the best i've heard.
With FM and the Wavetable osc + modulation matrix you can do really weird stuff.

I would say the Q sound digital , alive , crisp , crystal clear but very warm.

BTW i think the Q can do amazing oberheim emulation.

Largo is here!