Based on the "What song do I want to listen to first open this morning" Tattiemannie's Blame it on the Bogie nosed ahead for its cinematic chase scene quality of the composition that brought a big smile to my soul, and I would like to hear some bouzouki added to it when this is over - just saying.
Based on Tattiemannies ( stuck record ) guide to voting, I couldn't do it. The sounds and artistic compositions are ALL good. And the big zip of all songs made into a winamp playlist flowed together like an intentionally edited album.
Thanks for the votes, Jon rat Boyd
Osc5 - Crystal - VOTE!
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- KVRist
- 139 posts since 30 Mar, 2005 from oldwest
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 15 Nov, 2007 from Brigadoon, Scotland
Hi, well I'm still listening to them all and my view has ebbed and flowed somewhat but in the end it's been a toss-up between the superb(ness) or I might even say 'genius' of K-Bee's Crystal-Lised rhythms and the 80s groove and backbeats of Time's Little Byotch by MadPsyance. I wish I could vote for them all but I'm putting my marker down for MadPsyance. There, I said it. 
And no, it's not just because it's a bit Kraftwerky.
MajorBloodnok
And no, it's not just because it's a bit Kraftwerky.
MajorBloodnok
Red peppers in dynamite sauce? I must have been out of my mind!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Great stuff guys, cheers for the comments ... not just for my own track ... Yeah, as I said when I first listened to the tracks, it really does sound like an album!
Nice to see the votes rolling in steadily .... and thats another reason why its good to discuss stuff like next comp, Crystal preset compilation, meeting up in Greece
etc .... keep the thread running, and more folks will listen and vote! 
Wow we're on page 3 ( no jokes please ) ... better post this, then go get those links to have handy!
here we go.
Comp Folder .... http://onesynthcomp.4shared.com/
Streaming page .... http://www.ilfungomagico.it/crystal.html
Nice to see the votes rolling in steadily .... and thats another reason why its good to discuss stuff like next comp, Crystal preset compilation, meeting up in Greece
etc .... keep the thread running, and more folks will listen and vote! Wow we're on page 3 ( no jokes please ) ... better post this, then go get those links to have handy!
here we go.
Comp Folder .... http://onesynthcomp.4shared.com/
Streaming page .... http://www.ilfungomagico.it/crystal.html
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Heehee ... just in case we decide to go with sfxr/cfxr, I kinda got a head start! .... cant help playing with it! ...and so I've got some cool presets/wavs to be going on with .... now, is anyone up for bursting my bubble??
.... if so, suggest another comp .... but it had better be good!!!
.... now, is anyone up for bursting my bubble?? .... if so, suggest another comp .... but it had better be good!!!
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- KVRian
- 1191 posts since 8 Jul, 2005 from NY, US
Tattie, does you sample player have any modulations to drastically transform the sound? If so, I could imagine a contest in which you give us a few samples and the whole track must be limited to using just those samples...the contestant would have to get real creative with resampling,single-cycles,..etc.
I'm down for anything at this point. OSC's have revamped my love for songwriting.
I'm down for anything at this point. OSC's have revamped my love for songwriting.
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 27 Apr, 2008
No samples-only with the 8bit track though, I want to actually write a piece with it. 
I had started a topic about a contest were we could use ourselves to create all that is needed for a piece but it didn't get any attention...
Shortcircuit is a great sampler. Is it available for mac?
OSC's helped me lay down music ideas that are long before the true version I have in my head.
6 in the morning before school doesn't help for connected thoughts damn it.
See you all
like a technology's eye.
Technology is a greek word.
Cheers.
I had started a topic about a contest were we could use ourselves to create all that is needed for a piece but it didn't get any attention...
Shortcircuit is a great sampler. Is it available for mac?
OSC's helped me lay down music ideas that are long before the true version I have in my head.
6 in the morning before school doesn't help for connected thoughts damn it.
See you all
like a technology's eye.Technology is a greek word.
Cheers.
*blah blah blah blah everybody sing along*
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- KVRian
- 1191 posts since 8 Jul, 2005 from NY, US
Are you on a mac genealex?
BTW, I'm assuming Tattie's "sample player" can play back samples chromatically on your keyboard/piano roll...so you can compose with it in the traditional sense.
BTW, I'm assuming Tattie's "sample player" can play back samples chromatically on your keyboard/piano roll...so you can compose with it in the traditional sense.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
Heres the links to info on my sample player
Wav-Sticine
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
and Wav-Sticine2
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 73#3454073
Yes, they play chromatically, and yes, they have modulation and the capacity to mangle! ( in extreme settings ).... but, we're starting out with the limitation of 8 bit, single osc, limited duration samples, so maybe a bit of bending, shaping and shredding could be welcomed!
Knowing the plugs, I can tell you that you would not want to use the extreme settings gratuitously ... if you like music!
However, if the general leaning is towards something simpler .... like no more than a sample select and a volume control, then I can strip back to whatever you want .... would only take minutes! .... would still be no good for mac though.
I think I need to give shortcircuit a try ... I hear good things about it, but the only time I gave it a shot, it froze FL8 ... repeatedly! ... Maybe the file got corrupted somewhere ... I'll give it another go!
Wav-Sticine
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0
and Wav-Sticine2
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 73#3454073
Yes, they play chromatically, and yes, they have modulation and the capacity to mangle! ( in extreme settings ).... but, we're starting out with the limitation of 8 bit, single osc, limited duration samples, so maybe a bit of bending, shaping and shredding could be welcomed!
Knowing the plugs, I can tell you that you would not want to use the extreme settings gratuitously ... if you like music!
However, if the general leaning is towards something simpler .... like no more than a sample select and a volume control, then I can strip back to whatever you want .... would only take minutes! .... would still be no good for mac though.
I think I need to give shortcircuit a try ... I hear good things about it, but the only time I gave it a shot, it froze FL8 ... repeatedly! ... Maybe the file got corrupted somewhere ... I'll give it another go!
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- KVRian
- 1191 posts since 8 Jul, 2005 from NY, US
Short circuit is the most versatile free sampler I have ever used...my favorite feature is the ability to use loop points, and modulate the loop points...in short you can mangle samples into basically anything, make pads out of one hit drum sounds if you wanted..just loop a tiny little section of the sample, play with the amp and filter adsr, add some time based effects or not and you're good to go.
You can assign samples chromatically to a range on your keyboard...It's got loads of built in fx, several midi and audio channels,I'm sure you could compose an entire song with just 1 instance of short circuit, just have to figure out the routing on your host.
I'm still searching for a similar payware sampler, as short circuit is no longer in development.
You can assign samples chromatically to a range on your keyboard...It's got loads of built in fx, several midi and audio channels,I'm sure you could compose an entire song with just 1 instance of short circuit, just have to figure out the routing on your host.
I'm still searching for a similar payware sampler, as short circuit is no longer in development.
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 27 Apr, 2008
I use windows.
But since we started by supporting the participation of mac users, I think it is a good idea to concentrate on plugins that are available for both.
I don't know, whouldn't be better to use two plugins (one for fx and the other for instrument) instead of trying to make the fx plugin an instrument?
This way we can have interesting "8bit" compositions rather than concentrating on the struggle to get something beautiful musicaly out of the fx plugin.
I love the 8bit idea though, because I like the sound (and lets don't forget we can freely set it to our personal production concept!) and it's really all about the value of the composition.
4 votes madpsyance. And I was the first voter!
But tattie's piece diserves at least the same amount of votes!
But since we started by supporting the participation of mac users, I think it is a good idea to concentrate on plugins that are available for both.
I don't know, whouldn't be better to use two plugins (one for fx and the other for instrument) instead of trying to make the fx plugin an instrument?
This way we can have interesting "8bit" compositions rather than concentrating on the struggle to get something beautiful musicaly out of the fx plugin.
I love the 8bit idea though, because I like the sound (and lets don't forget we can freely set it to our personal production concept!) and it's really all about the value of the composition.
4 votes madpsyance. And I was the first voter!
But tattie's piece diserves at least the same amount of votes!
*blah blah blah blah everybody sing along*
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- KVRian
- 1191 posts since 8 Jul, 2005 from NY, US
I know...I logged on last night and I had gone from 0 to 3, I was shocked! Thanks for the vote genealex!genealex wrote: 4 votes madpsyance. And I was the first voter!
But tattie's piece diserves at least the same amount of votes!
I think Tattie deserves this one though, the dude can compose like a mofo!
And I would LOVE to hear a version of "blame it on the boogie" played on his zook!!!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
I think we may have to ( once again ) ask Mac users to contribute to the planning if they want to participate in the comp! I have no wish to exclude mac users, but I dont have enough knowledge of mac to construct a level playing field.
So until we get some input, we should maybe continue discussion re. how we set up this comp with windows.
From what you write about shortcircuit MadPsyance, I get the feeling that to allow it as our sampler would serve to diminish the role of sfxr/cfxr ... certainly more so than Wav-Sticine.
Genealex, I kinda agree about the instrument/fx thing. Please try out wav-sticine though, and if necessary, I will do a version which is a simple sample player..... or I can limit the parameters of certain controls to make it less of a 'mangler'
Otherwise, any more basic sample players out there?
Cheers for the comments MP ... and hate to let you down, but theres no fkn way I can play those melodies on bouzouki!!! ... fraid I just aint THAT good!
So until we get some input, we should maybe continue discussion re. how we set up this comp with windows.
From what you write about shortcircuit MadPsyance, I get the feeling that to allow it as our sampler would serve to diminish the role of sfxr/cfxr ... certainly more so than Wav-Sticine.
Genealex, I kinda agree about the instrument/fx thing. Please try out wav-sticine though, and if necessary, I will do a version which is a simple sample player..... or I can limit the parameters of certain controls to make it less of a 'mangler'
Otherwise, any more basic sample players out there?
Cheers for the comments MP ... and hate to let you down, but theres no fkn way I can play those melodies on bouzouki!!! ... fraid I just aint THAT good!
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- KVRist
- 202 posts since 12 Apr, 2008 from Norfolk, UK
I'm still scratching my head here Tattie.tattiemannie wrote:So until we get some input, we should maybe continue discussion re. how we set up this comp with windows.
With FL's built in sampling ability "free" with the DAW, the plethora of sampling freebies available and, of course, our Mac friends - I can't see how we are going to arrive at an acceptable usage list for a potentential OSC.
Can I just suggest that we restrict ourselves to free kit but must keep "in the spirit" of this being an 8 bit chip tune? I know this would open up the monster of subjective views but we could throw that into the voting thread perhaps for our peers to cast judgement.
In otherwords, if there is some lush VA pad in somebody's tune it obviously falls "outside" of what we are after as it falls to far out of SFXR's ability. However if it was an obviously SID like noise, that should be OK.
In otherwords, keep it free and keep to the spirit of the kit (let's face it all the other OSC's could have been mangled this way if people felt the need anyway
).Hopefully, I'm trying to be helpful here anyway
As a complete aside I'm making some completely bonkers Forbidden Planet type noises at the moment with SXFR and filters - I feel a theme coming on...
Cheers,
Mouxbar
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3257 posts since 28 Dec, 2007
I hear ya Mouxbar, and no probs with your suggestion.... we might well go that way. However I think while we have a bit of time and we have the healthiest level of discussion we've had for any idea, we should let it roll a bit.
I am a little more optomistic about the chances of arriving at a generally agreed format. I personally would not like to limit the comp to only accepting 8 bit chip tune tracks, I see scope for creating layered pad sounds from sfxr samples ( without resorting to polyphonic sample players ), and a lot of other possibilties.
I think within the 'usual' rules we have a good start actually. For example, the part about samples being allowed if they are rendered unaltered/unaffected from our featured synth, limits on tools which overly transform the sounds, and the types of fx which are allowed.
I dont think there is a wide difference of views re. the principals of the comp, more about standardising the tools we use.
I have had a look at the plugin database for a simple sampler and as far as I can see, there is only one which would fit the bill.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1512.html
... but even then it is windows only, and has a ping-pong delay and an adsr.
I think the adsr is fine ... it can cut the ragged ends off samples so we dont have to use sample editors.
If there is no representation from mac users I would be happy to go with this as our sampler, or as I said earlier, knock out a trimmed version of wav-sticine so it only has features we are agreed on.... its all possible!
Then we only have to thrash out our permitted fx! .....so keep talking! We'll get there!
I am a little more optomistic about the chances of arriving at a generally agreed format. I personally would not like to limit the comp to only accepting 8 bit chip tune tracks, I see scope for creating layered pad sounds from sfxr samples ( without resorting to polyphonic sample players ), and a lot of other possibilties.
I think within the 'usual' rules we have a good start actually. For example, the part about samples being allowed if they are rendered unaltered/unaffected from our featured synth, limits on tools which overly transform the sounds, and the types of fx which are allowed.
I dont think there is a wide difference of views re. the principals of the comp, more about standardising the tools we use.
I have had a look at the plugin database for a simple sampler and as far as I can see, there is only one which would fit the bill.
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1512.html
... but even then it is windows only, and has a ping-pong delay and an adsr.
I think the adsr is fine ... it can cut the ragged ends off samples so we dont have to use sample editors.
If there is no representation from mac users I would be happy to go with this as our sampler, or as I said earlier, knock out a trimmed version of wav-sticine so it only has features we are agreed on.... its all possible!
Then we only have to thrash out our permitted fx! .....so keep talking! We'll get there!
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 27 Apr, 2008
Sure we have to not pass the step.
But it's easier to just make a list of the effects that should be used:
Its fun to work in a new context. After all, OSC is about having fun and not about producing the most high fidelity commercial sound at any cost.
Also it just feels nice to know that your friend used exactly what you used to make the sound and came with that completely different result.
Personally I just find it fun to throw me in an environment and let me make music using "this eq, that reverb, this instrument, this compressor. -the end".
Now about the sampler, well, the matter is to use it just to reproduce the sample, so, probably it doesn't matter which you will use as long as you don't use it for things other than playing back the sample.
But it's easier to just make a list of the effects that should be used:
Its fun to work in a new context. After all, OSC is about having fun and not about producing the most high fidelity commercial sound at any cost.
Also it just feels nice to know that your friend used exactly what you used to make the sound and came with that completely different result.
Personally I just find it fun to throw me in an environment and let me make music using "this eq, that reverb, this instrument, this compressor. -the end".
Now about the sampler, well, the matter is to use it just to reproduce the sample, so, probably it doesn't matter which you will use as long as you don't use it for things other than playing back the sample.
*blah blah blah blah everybody sing along*