KVR Audio

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:15 pm

PaulSC wrote:
Megakazbek wrote:
PaulSC wrote:Yeah, and why program your own sounds at all, shouldn't you just explore the possibilities of all the presets before wanting to change the filter cutoff?
So why you stop just at sample importing, when you have C++ compiler and can write your own synthesis algorithms and a HEX editor where you can manually sculpt your own digital sample data byte by byte?
Basically, what I'm trying to say, is that Largo (as any other synth) offers a specific set of sound design capabilities. Why can't people work within these capabilities and need to extend them? No one ever asked Moog to add sample import to the Mini, and everyone lived perfectly fine without it, so why suddenly now everyone demands user samples in every synth?
I don't think everyone suddenly demands user samples in every synth.

The hypothetical person with the C++ skills you describe can build a personal-ideal synth from scratch; no need to start with Largo.

The calls for sample import in Largo probably have a lot to do with the existence of this very feature in its hardware first-cousin.

There are two potential problems with adding sample import to Largo. Blofeld owners who paid for it will be upset if it's free and those that haven't may consider buying Largo instead. I would.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:34 am

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blakecasimir · Post by **blakecasimir** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:44 pm

Largo seems to be gaining quite a reputation already. So I began browsing this thread...

However mention of an iLok or Synchrosoft completely kills my interest.

Not to mention, I have a Microwave XT I'm quite happy with.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:41 pm

chis wrote:Largo seems to be gaining quite a reputation already. So I began browsing this thread...

However mention of an iLok or Synchrosoft completely kills my interest.

Not to mention, I have a Microwave XT I'm quite happy with.

OK, nothing wrong about a Microwave XT. If you search for a software substitution some day Largo or Kubik should be the closest to the Microwave.

Restless · Post by **Restless** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:14 pm

chis wrote:Largo seems to be gaining quite a reputation already. So I began browsing this thread...

However mention of an iLok or Synchrosoft completely kills my interest.

Yeah, it's though, especially since it doesn't require either...

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:27 pm

Can anyone confirm how this Syncrosoft e-licenser works without a dongle? Is it basically like a serial number? If I get a new computer, I can re-use the serial number?

Its just a bit confusing...

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:49 pm

Jeremy_NSL wrote:Can anyone confirm how this Syncrosoft e-licenser works without a dongle? Is it basically like a serial number? If I get a new computer, I can re-use the serial number?

Its just a bit confusing...

Basically, it still uses the same license control center as the dongle, but installs the license on a "virtual" dongle, meaning a software version.

You start the license utility, start the license download wizard, enter your serial, and it downloads the license to your "virtual" licensor, and you are done.

Typically, with Syncrosoft, that serial is then no more. It can't be used again. If you want another install, you have to contact the company unfortunately. Now, I've had the experience that most devs will gladly provide a new number, but you'll have to ask each company. I think the license utility can also offer other options for saving a license for use on a new system, but I haven't done that so I can't guarantee it.

Also, most elicensor licenses can also be transferred to a physical dongle. This is the easiest way to transport to a new computer since you don't have to ask for a new install.

Some companies give you multiple serials for multiple installs right up front, such as VSL(but they use the physical dongle). I don't know how Largo is handled though.

Brent

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:59 pm

Jeremy_NSL wrote:Can anyone confirm how this Syncrosoft e-licenser works without a dongle? Is it basically like a serial number? If I get a new computer, I can re-use the serial number?

Its just a bit confusing...

I'm sorry. I transferred the license to my USB dongle so i can't really tell how it works without. I just now that with the dongle it can be used on my notebook too.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:19 pm

Found something about the copy protection of Largo on the Waldorf user forum:

1.) "There is an online activation while installing. You can use it without
having to purchase a dongle, but then it is bound to the PC you installed
it on. You can transfer the key to a dongle and from the dongle to another
PC if you like.

You need an internet connection for the activation and later transfers.
Not for just using the software."

2.) "After installation Largo must be activated. This requires an internet
connection (page 10 of the manual). After activation, the elicense is stored
on your computer. You can however transfer the license to an USB dongle."

3.) "You don't need a dongle if you install Largo on just one PC.
If you want to use it on several computers you need to transfer the license
to a dongle."

4.) "I guess in the meantime everything is clear for You,
in case not: The protection is the same so called
e-licencer (from ex.syncrosoft).

Once the lincense has been transferred onto a physical
dongle You're able and You're authorized to run
the software on the box the dongle is connected to.

In case You do not have the USB key, and/or It's
not Your intention to use a dongle at all (due to lack of
USB ports for example) You're "forced" to run the Largo
on the box You've used to authorize the software via internet.

The USB dongle/key is an option, it cost approx. 20 euro.

Hope everythng is clear now."

Some more general comments:

1.) "We just have to wait and see if Waldorf releases a demo version. On
the one hand it would make sense, on the other hand, like said before,
the older Waldorf softsynths had no demo versions either as far as I
know.

One thing I do know for sure: it sounds pretty good! And, although it
is overlapping some areas of the Blofeld, it can sound way different.
More importantly it has another overall character (to me).

Largo runs nice on my PPC 2.0 Mac, without any trouble, so in terms of
CPU usage I don't think we have to worry so much.

Boele"

Anyone could check the Waldorf forum archive here: http://www.waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/user-forum/

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:33 pm

Using without dongle:
So Waldorf said to me, that it's not problem to register your product every time you format your HD or having new PC.

But how it goes EXACTLY i don't know. Cos activation number found inside the box can be used just at once(as people speak here on KVR) Next time it won't work, so you'll need to contact Waldorf support everytime after fresh installation to get a new activation code. I think it's so.
So I ordered dongle from Rob Papen(very cheap, 29 Euro + shipping included, bargain). So i'm not a virgin anymore, I'm dongled!

Scot Solida · Post by **Scot Solida** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:36 pm

I'm using it without licensing it to a dongle. Works just fine.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:42 pm

Scot Solida wrote:I'm using it without licensing it to a dongle. Works just fine.

Yes, it works. But a lot of people concern about reactivation of this product.

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:45 pm

Just do it the way it suits you.. to save the hassle just put the licence on a dongle..if not just worry about it when you need a new hard drive..no big deal really as long as it works fine

Rob

Restless · Post by **Restless** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:29 pm

I will never understand why people prefer to have their software licenses attached to the one component that has the highest failure rate of any computer, the hard drive. Dongles, on the other hand, have no moving parts and mine have been going for years without any problems.

The dongle phobia seems to completely irrational to me...

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:35 pm

Long live the dongle..

Largo is here!