Waldorf Largo + Blofeld: free + commercial patches

[ganymede]

Betcha can't reproduce that Palmolive preset from the Till Kopper PPG Wave bank?

Wanted to look at patches from that bank later but i could try it now.

UPDATE: You're right, a quite difficult patch. It has some tricks for which are difficult to reproduce. Like that panning effect for instance. I think it's close to finish now. Interesting challenge.

The patch is almost finished. Does anyone have an idea how to reproduce the panning of the PPG Wave 2.V plugin? This changes the side of the stereo signal after each key hit. Means it could not be modulated by an LFO or an envelope. Using the Keytrack as modulation doesn't really do it. Maybe a combination of the Keytrack and another feature could do it.

Yes, that's the trickiest bit. Palmolive is one of my favourite PPG Wave 2V presets but I never did understand how it worked...

[Ingonator]

Betcha can't reproduce that Palmolive preset from the Till Kopper PPG Wave bank?

Wanted to look at patches from that bank later but i could try it now.

UPDATE: You're right, a quite difficult patch. It has some tricks for which are difficult to reproduce. Like that panning effect for instance. I think it's close to finish now. Interesting challenge.

The patch is almost finished. Does anyone have an idea how to reproduce the panning of the PPG Wave 2.V plugin? This changes the side of the stereo signal after each key hit. Means it could not be modulated by an LFO or an envelope. Using the Keytrack as modulation doesn't really do it. Maybe a combination of the Keytrack and another feature could do it.

Yes, that's the trickiest bit. Palmolive is one of my favourite PPG Wave 2V presets but I never did understand how it worked...

The changing of the waves over time is done by an "Echoes" wavetable but this panning feature is quite unique. In PPG Wave 2.V you set it by the "BASIS" knob on the upper left side of the GUI. The 0 position means no panning and higher values mean more panning. The real problem is it's controlled by pressing the keys and not by a typical modulator like a LFO or envelope. The question is how to get a value that changes the prefix (from + to -) everytime you press a new key.

BTW. Do you have Largo for testing the patch once it's finished?? If not i must put a mp3 or wav file in the zip file of the patch.

[ganymede]

Betcha can't reproduce that Palmolive preset from the Till Kopper PPG Wave bank?

Wanted to look at patches from that bank later but i could try it now.

UPDATE: You're right, a quite difficult patch. It has some tricks for which are difficult to reproduce. Like that panning effect for instance. I think it's close to finish now. Interesting challenge.

The patch is almost finished. Does anyone have an idea how to reproduce the panning of the PPG Wave 2.V plugin? This changes the side of the stereo signal after each key hit. Means it could not be modulated by an LFO or an envelope. Using the Keytrack as modulation doesn't really do it. Maybe a combination of the Keytrack and another feature could do it.

Yes, that's the trickiest bit. Palmolive is one of my favourite PPG Wave 2V presets but I never did understand how it worked...

The changing of the waves over time is done by an "Echoes" wavetable but this panning feature is quite unique. In PPG Wave 2.V you set it by the "BASIS" knob on the upper left side of the GUI. The 0 position means no panning and higher values mean more panning. The real problem is it's controlled by pressing the keys and not by a typical modulator like a LFO or envelope. The question is how to get a value that changes the prefix (from + to -) everytime you press a new key.

BTW. Do you have Largo for testing the patch once it's finished?? If not i must put a mp3 or wav file in the zip file of the patch.

Yes, I have Largo. I'm intrigued to see if Largo can reproduce the warmth of the sound. Looking forward to hearing it!

[Jeremy_NSL]

The Basis parameter on the PPG is awesome. Very, very few synths can recreate it easily I'm afraid. Each voice is panned to a different side alternately.

If you don't have either an 'alternate' source or a 'polyphony' source in the mod-matrix it will be likely impossible to set this up in Largo. You also need 'pan' to be a voice-level destination, not global.

One of the few synths I know that can do this is Cronox3... Omnisphere can too.

[Ingonator]

The Basis parameter on the PPG is awesome. Very, very few synths can recreate it easily I'm afraid. Each voice is panned to a different side alternately.

If you don't have either an 'alternate' source or a 'polyphony' source in the mod-matrix it will be likely impossible to set this up in Largo. You also need 'pan' to be a voice-level destination, not global.

One of the few synths I know that can do this is Cronox3... Omnisphere can too.

I tried the advanced modifiers/mathematical operators and so far the best seems to be "Voice%2 XOR Voice%4". Means a XOR operation of Voice Nr. 2 with Voice Nr. 4. The result is not 100% but the sides are changed by hitting new keys. Maybe i publish a kind of "beta version" of the patch.

BTW on the Waldorf forum i just got a reply from Till Kopper about my request for a PPG filter in Largo. I wrote him that i want to recreate the patch and if he has some tips.

[ganymede]

Hi Ingonator, I'd still be intrigued to hear the preset, even if you can't quite get the panning feature together... I don't have PPG Wave on my new Intel Mac because Waldorf hasn't made it available for Intel Mac OS10.5, and I miss that Palmolive sound!

[ganymede]

BTW on the Waldorf forum i just got a reply from Till Kopper about my request for a PPG filter in Largo. I wrote him that i want to recreate the patch and if he has some tips.

It'll be interesting to hear what he says. BTW, where is the Waldorf forum? I can't see one on their web site...

[Ingonator]

BTW on the Waldorf forum i just got a reply from Till Kopper about my request for a PPG filter in Largo. I wrote him that i want to recreate the patch and if he has some tips.

It'll be interesting to hear what he says. BTW, where is the Waldorf forum? I can't see one on their web site...

The forum is here: http://www.waldorf-forum.com/cgi-bin/ma ... user-forum
http://waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/user ... html#start

It's a mailing list and all messages will appear at the list in the second link. If you don't like to get emails from the forum every day maybe it's not for you.

BTW i got some tips from Till Kopper. Will check it and publish the patch as soon as possible.

[ganymede]

The forum is here: http://www.waldorf-forum.com/cgi-bin/ma ... user-forum
http://waldorf-forum.com/pipermail/user ... html#start

It's a mailing list and all messages will appear at the list in the second link. If you don't like to get emails from the forum every day maybe it's not for you.

BTW i got some tips from Till Kopper. Will check it and publish the patch as soon as possible.

Thanks for that. Looking forward to checking out the patch!

[Ingonator]

Hi Ingonator, I'd still be intrigued to hear the preset, even if you can't quite get the panning feature together... I don't have PPG Wave on my new Intel Mac because Waldorf hasn't made it available for Intel Mac OS10.5, and I miss that Palmolive sound!

Hello,
o just published an update of the bank at KVR. It contains 69 patches. The last one is the "Palmolive TM" patch originally made by Till Kopper. I am still not satisfied... I corrected some settings in older patches as well.

link: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=lis ... order=date

description: "updated version v1.02 of my Largo PPG patches. 69 patches as fxp an fxb files. An addition is an init patch and an full init bank. Contains the "Palmolive TM" patch originally made by Till Kopper."

Does anyone know if it's possible to delete the older versions of the bank in the database. Maybe a message to Meffy ??

[ganymede]

Hello,
o just published an update of the bank at KVR. It contains 69 patches. The last one is the "Palmolive TM" patch originally made by Till Kopper. I am still not satisfied... I corrected some settings in older patches as well.

link: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=lis ... order=date

description: "updated version v1.02 of my Largo PPG patches. 69 patches as fxp an fxb files. An addition is an init patch and an full init bank. Contains the "Palmolive TM" patch originally made by Till Kopper."

These sound great! I recognise quite a lot of them and it's amazing to hear them in Largo. The Palmolive timbre sounds good but the high frequencies are too loud.

[Ingonator]

I just found out that i transferred some settings from the PPg plugin wrong especially in the first patches. That's why they don't sound as authentic as possible. In the second half of the patches those failures didn't appear, maybe due to more experience. I already corrected several of the older patches and will publish the updated version when finished.

The wrong settings are in the wavetable positions and in the choice of the filter. The 24dB filter seems to be better. The confusion with the wavetable position comes from the strange "offset" mode in the PPG plugin. I just mixed up the offset of the main and the sub oscillator. Based on a bit more experience i also some other small corrections.

[qwave]

Another tip:
the PPG decay and release had a linear curve on the wavetable modulation index.
The Waldorf synths except the microWave I and the WAVE use exponential decay and release curves. So you might need to adjust two envelopes to act as the filter envelope of the PPG wave.
Let the Env 3 modulate the wavetable position. And let it self modulate its decay and release by an amount of about +40 to get a more linear curve. Then adjust the Env 3 to match the Filter envelope decay and release times.

And suddenly the wavetable scanning sound way more PPG then Waldorf.
Give it a try.

In the PPG wave 2.V plug-in it is done right. Also on Hermann Seib's software.

For the first testing, I would do this self modulation trick only on the filter envelope of the PPG wave 2.V sounds posted here. The filter is not that important on most sounds. You will have to shorten the decay and release of the filter envelope.

[Ingonator]

Another tip:
the PPG decay and release had a linear curve on the wavetable modulation index.
The Waldorf synths except the microWave I and the WAVE use exponential decay and release curves. So you might need to adjust two envelopes to act as the filter envelope of the PPG wave.
Let the Env 3 modulate the wavetable position. And let it self modulate its decay and release by an amount of about +40 to get a more linear curve. Then adjust the Env 3 to match the Filter envelope decay and release times.

And suddenly the wavetable scanning sound way more PPG then Waldorf.
Give it a try.

In the PPG wave 2.V plug-in it is done right. Also on Hermann Seib's software.

For the first testing, I would do this self modulation trick only on the filter envelope of the PPG wave 2.V sounds posted here. The filter is not that important on most sounds. You will have to shorten the decay and release of the filter envelope.

I will try trick. Thanks for that.

Maybe you could answer my question from another thread: "Did anyone here try to make a Largo patch with 2 or more Layers ?? If i try i am not able to get a sound from the second layer. I tried to use MIDI channel 5 like proposed in the manual and switched the output to "Stereo". No success."

UPDATE: Your trick seems to work. Because of the self modulation i have to shorten the values as you proposed. Thanks for that. Will try on more patches now.

[Ingonator]

I am in a complete correction/refining of my PPG patches for Largo. I implement some tips i got and fix failures i found myself. To that PPG patches i already added some "pure Largo" lead sounds, means they are no PPG reconstructions. One patch uses layers for which you DAW has to be set in a proper way: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 45#3657745

I hope i can publish the updated bank today or tomorrow. I guess cause of the changes i will give it version number 1.1.