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Lump wrote:Yes JackLab has closed, because of not enough support from the community... the "free people" only take but never give a contribution for development or supporting a project. If there is no millionaire in the back, the small Linux projects die.
Michael, you know I respect the work you and your team did with JAD, but this kind of statement simply sounds like what we call "sour grapes". 64 Studio and Planet CCRMA are chugging along nicely, they have no millionaires on board. MusiX is still maintained, and it seems that UStudio team is at least interested in my critiques of their system. None of those systems enjoy massive monetary contributions from a sugar daddy.

I've put in money, time, and effort equal to anyone anywhere, just to support the cause of open-source sound & music software. It is more than a little insulting to read a categorical statement like "the 'free people' only take but never give a contribution for development or supporting a project", especially when one considers the support shown for Ardour by its community of users.

Projects die in Linux because they don't catch on with a larger community of users and devs. Rui Nuno Capela manages to keep QJackCtl, QSynth, and QTractor going without financial backing. Fernando Lopez-Lezcano maintains Planet CCRMA without a millionaire. They do so because they have a large and committed user base, not because they have money-men. Plenty of moneyed projects die for the same reasons free ones die.

For whatever reasons the JAD team didn't seem to want to connect to the LA* user & developer communities. Edogawa showed up on the LAU list every now and then, but it seemed that drumfix and the other maintainers just didn't want to associate with the users on that list.

You did commendable work with JAD. I don't know what you expected to gain or achieve by it, but you ought to be proud enough of it for its own sake that you shouldn't need to run down anyone else's work.

JAD 1.0 is still running like a champion here at Studio Dave. It is as stable as any Linux distro I've ever used, and I've used a lot of them. I've recommended it in many articles I've written and will continue to do so as long as it's available.

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Hi Dave

Yes you're right I'm pretty frustrated and not always fair. I've burned a lot of time and money and get a lot of envy and misunderstandings. And at least I'm not lucky with Linux in my studio. It didn't work for me, but I have to work for it.

Maybe "millionaire" is a bit extreme - but a development of something that need to be polished from the ground zero needs a good financial background that I don't have. I've paid so much money for my audio idealism and on the other side I meet that "Linux-Biz" guys and I realized that Linux is pure Darwinism capitalism. All serious Linux development depends on financial and human resources. It is a full time job and not a hobby. At least I'm not a biz man, I wasn't able to make enough money for me, my studio and the project.

The LAU/LAD is (for me) an international hobby discussion club with a focus on Debian and a strange view what a musician need. They are talking so endless and without an aim... I see no common vision, no idea what free software can do for the musician. They live in a strange world of free and more free toolkits/distros/organs. I have the imprint that the LAU never stop talking and getting into action, never leaving the GNU coders perspective... And I think they mostly ignore JackLab, because we're heretic against the law "You should not like user friendly solutions like VST and you should not use Linux from the devil" (openSUSE).

We was on some LAC with Edgar and Olli and we meet Rui and many of them. Nice people for sure! But this is a community that do Audiolinux as a hobby, a playground, an experimental field but not as serious platform for media production - they all use a Mac for this!!! Even on the LAC they use Mac for music presentations.

Whenever I will do something with Linux devel again, it must have an very good financial basement so that I can pay the developers for a complete working free innovative software media solution and not that stuff noone like to pay a cent or attention. Ardour is a nice try for sure, and Qtractor, too. But this is not seasonable DAW software, this is always a lot of steps behind comparable solutions for serious media creator platforms. This need to be changed, but not with paypal donations from the users, but with massive amount of manpower and money from other sources.

But I haven't the money and the connections now, I'm not Steve Gates (Like Ron from indamixx ;) I'm a poor artist that don't know how to pay the next bill. I can't sell unfinished software collections or books for things that don't work properly for me. I tried to write a small linux audio book (it is still announced at amazon) but whenever I've got a software crash or something like that, it was so frustrating that I had heavy doubt about that. No I can't make a book about something what doesn't work for me, I can't stand for a audiolinux that is maybe ok for some hobbyist, but not for the most professionals.

With the exception of you... you are pro and linux, a rare mixture. So you was one of the rare persons, who really supporting the jacklab project, thank you, Dave!
[del]AudioLinux sucks.[/del]

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I'm having some trouble getting Savihost seeing midi in when using wineasio and savihost... I can get Audio Out, but the Midi in says *NO MIDI*

Anyone know what I can do?

Thanks.

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Count_fuzzball wrote:I'm having some trouble getting Savihost seeing midi in when using wineasio and savihost... I can get Audio Out, but the Midi in says *NO MIDI*

Anyone know what I can do?

Thanks.
first thing I do with such problems is from a clean start, run

jackd -d alsa -r 44100

then start the host, then check the terminal window, for signs that jackd got
zombified. You could do a fresh alsa and hardware configuration, there have been times when things got 'messed with in the dark' by angry penguins :x :hihi:

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glokraw wrote:
Count_fuzzball wrote:I'm having some trouble getting Savihost seeing midi in when using wineasio and savihost... I can get Audio Out, but the Midi in says *NO MIDI*

Anyone know what I can do?

Thanks.
first thing I do with such problems is from a clean start, run

jackd -d alsa -r 44100

then start the host, then check the terminal window, for signs that jackd got
zombified. You could do a fresh alsa and hardware configuration, there have been times when things got 'messed with in the dark' by angry penguins :x :hihi:
Hmm.. Well, wineasio and midi in/out works with ALSA, but not JACK... Is this one of those 'oh, this only works with ALSA' sort of things?

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Count_fuzzball wrote:
glokraw wrote:
Count_fuzzball wrote:I'm having some trouble getting Savihost seeing midi in when using wineasio and savihost... I can get Audio Out, but the Midi in says *NO MIDI*

Anyone know what I can do?

Thanks.
first thing I do with such problems is from a clean start, run

jackd -d alsa -r 44100

then start the host, then check the terminal window, for signs that jackd got
zombified. You could do a fresh alsa and hardware configuration, there have been times when things got 'messed with in the dark' by angry penguins :x :hihi:
Hmm.. Well, wineasio and midi in/out works with ALSA, but not JACK... Is this one of those 'oh, this only works with ALSA' sort of things?
Its more like jackd connects all your instruments, sends the output to alsa, which in turn looks at your soundcard and settings, and makes sure the tunes get to the various output connectors. It's a workable, if sporadically documented setup. As jackd incorporates more functions, it remains to be seen if other
coders will utilize those functions, but being able to connect vst outputs to linux
audio app inputs, is a pretty big fist in the candy barrel :) Since the new stock kernels are much better, the 'realtime' kernels/patches are not really needed for smaller projects, like 5 or 6 helix/synth1, a zynaddsubfx and a rakarrack. A year from now, jackd, midi, wine, and alsa will likely be a much tighter crew 8)

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I posted a Linux question here, any help would be very much liked!
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=255164

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Mantras wrote:I posted a Linux question here, any help would be very much liked!
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=255164
For what little it's worth, if anything, I've replied to that thread. I'm sure there'll be someone who has a better idea or more understanding.
And it is as it is and we take as we find / Always next season's buds on the bough / But I'll never find a better time / Hard though it is to allow / I'll never find a better time / To be alive than now

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with ubuntu you can install it once you booted into windows using the " wubi " and it would run like a windows app. you can also partition ubuntu n windows or run them on seperate drives, i run mine on seperate drives... i use ubuntu linux for getting online, i can download vst s or other stuff unzip etc. , n then i can move the files to windows within ubuntu.( my other drive shows up in ubuntu )

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Hints posted ;)

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Reaper 3.05 is faster in linux than previous fastest versions. Seems to be stable and productive for basic multi-track recording. Outputs connect to linux fx processors, for that extra nudge, and projects render beautifully.
Cheers :)

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It would be nice to build a DAW-centric PuppyLinux distro. That way it could be frugally installed to a USB flash drive and taken anywhere. With an installation like that, you can take your project sources and software with you and work with it on any computer that will boot from usb (or create a boot cd or floppy to help or make it even easier).

Puppy's "Woof" project seems promising as it automates the process of making a "Puplet" as Barry Kauler calls it. I think I might look into that. I'd like to see a Puppy with stuff like Ardour, Traverso, Hydrogen, etc. I think it would have a serious advantage over a "major" distro, because it is streamlined to run entirely from RAM and, thus, very efficiently. If you have used puppy before and are familiar with how fast and efficiently it runs on just about any system, then can you imagine how it would run with a realtime or low-latency kernel?

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Just out of curiosity! Why does everyone who tries out Linux seem to flock to Ubuntu? IMHO its slower and more bloated than even Windoze. If you really want a speed advantage you need to try a LiveCD distro like Dyne:Bolic, or Puppy Linux. They pretty much configure themselves during boot, they have decent desktop environments(semi-good-looking but nice and light), and they run pretty fast. In fact, Dyne:Bolic claims to run well on systems with as little as 64MB of RAM and while Puppy requires more RAM (I recommend at least 256MB), it runs entirely in RAM. Also, both have ways of saving your own personal settings to a file that can be saved onto your existing Windows drive with no need to repartition or format anything.

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SE_Newbie wrote:Just out of curiosity! Why does everyone who tries out Linux seem to flock to Ubuntu? IMHO its slower and more bloated than even Windoze. If you really want a speed advantage you need to try a LiveCD distro like Dyne:Bolic, or Puppy Linux. They pretty much configure themselves during boot, they have decent desktop environments(semi-good-looking but nice and light), and they run pretty fast. In fact, Dyne:Bolic claims to run well on systems with as little as 64MB of RAM and while Puppy requires more RAM (I recommend at least 256MB), it runs entirely in RAM. Also, both have ways of saving your own personal settings to a file that can be saved onto your existing Windows drive with no need to repartition or format anything.
Hi, I made a usbstick install of pclinuxos 'minime', a 330 meg distro, and used synaptic
to add linux audio apps, added wine, Reaper, and favorite plugins. I used the standard installer from a pclinuxos DvD, formatted with non-journaling ext2 filesystem, and without a swap partition, to save read/write hits on the usbstick.

I also enjoy dynebolic 'dhoruba', and having a nest on C:\ by drag-n-drop hope to have a dedicated setup, maybe on a netbook, for the new year.

Ubuntu Studio 8.04 can be thinned down/sped up by choosing just audio apps in the initial install, and by brutally weeding out the things you'll never use.

The JAD audio distro, based on Suse 10.2, can also be slimmed down some, and makes for
a good launchpad for a serious studio.

I have not used puppy for music, but keep reading of the hard work, and progress being made. Fat dogs will fly when it all comes together 8)

Have you used rakarrack multi-fx? If I had to choose between having $500 worth of vst guitar-amp software, or rakarrack and $500, I'd take the rak and the cash in a heartbeat!
:)

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glokraw wrote:
The JAD audio distro, based on Suse 10.2, can also be slimmed down some, and makes for
a good launchpad for a serious studio.
LOL - did you tell the truth?
[del]AudioLinux sucks.[/del]

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