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filterfilter · Post by **filterfilter** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:56 pm

Bubbamusic wrote:
Wildfunk wrote:
FrankDee wrote:I do not need this at all, I already have dozens of those "basic" synths.

all the hype.... for nothing (and its way too overpriced imho)

boring
Me too. Nothing "unique" here
+1

What kind of sound are you all searching for, that Largo can't produce?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:58 pm

Did anyone check my Largo bank in the KVR database ??
http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=list&what=3620

Does loading banks work in the demo ?

My opinion is that those people complaining just switched through some presets but did not try programming on their own. Then you will see how many features Largo has to offer.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:07 pm

Ingonator wrote:My opinion is that those people complaining just switched through some presets but did not try programming on their own. Then you will see how many features Largo has to offer.

- absolutely right, folks, just try a few things like for instance, changing the filters and tweak them a bit, just that and you'll hear..!

nexusdawn · Post by **nexusdawn** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:09 pm

First Impressions

Pro's

• Largo is amoung the top Soft Synths out there (Sylenth1, Imposcar, Take your pick...)

• Has some of the smoothest, creamiest, and wildest Filters I've ever heard from a VSTi. The Resonance screams, sings, zips, sizzles, and bubbles. Generous choice of Filter Drive models. Filter FM modulation allows for sound sculpting possibilties just not possible in most other soft synths.

• Well designed user interface in terms of editing efficency. As to he actual
look and feel; it's always a question of taste, I kind of like it (Although the color's and constrast wouldn't be my first pick....)

• Large number of modulation options (LFO's, ENVs, Matrix, ect). The importance of a good modulation architecture can't be stressed enough (I hope Sylenth1 gets this far one day...), without out it, sounds would be limited to basics, like bass, leads, and pads, etc. The kind of modulation options Largo has can help create an entire universe of sounds.

Con's

• At least half of the presets seem rather average (not a problem for me, since I edit my own). But I feel, as with any synth, especially one so well done, the sounds -sell- the synthesizer. With so many synths out there, not everyone may be inclined to look what's under the hood to really see what Largo can do. For Waldorfs sake, I hope they address this in future releases.

• The preset browser is tiresome.

Over all rating: 4.75 out of 5

Peace

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:16 pm

The full version has 238 patches but there are no bank files. You have to do your own banks from the fxp files. I used the preset manager of MiniHost for that. Like i mentioned i published a Largo bank here at the KVR database. The zip file contains an init bank too. A good starting point for own patches.

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:42 pm

The CPU spikes appears only when you touch the knobs and faders.
And btw, how to make oscillators not run free? Where is retrigg button?

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:51 pm

Yes, needs a bit CPU. Would be nice to have a CPU friendly "economy" mode

The preset handling is too simple. A preset browser with categories would be highly recommended for future versions.

The 1-page interface is very nice. The handling remembers me a bit to the Rob Papen synth. Everything is easy to find and the color-scheme is eye friendly.

Largo has most features we expect today. There is also a layering feature and a nice modulation matrix.
Soundwise. The presets can only give a first impression of the sound. But Largo remembers me to Absynth, Massiv and Z3ta

The presets are... Mmh... I will not say average! But its not a synth I would buy because of the nice presets.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:53 pm

Do not know if anyone have mentioned this, but can the very largo gui be sized to something smallo? I can not see a (biiip!)thing of the lower half of the synth on my 1024 x 768 screen.

rectus_dominus · Post by **rectus_dominus** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:14 pm

4damind wrote:Yes, needs a bit CPU. Would be nice to have a CPU friendly "economy" mode

The preset handling is too simple. A preset browser with categories would be highly recommended for future versions.

The 1-page interface is very nice. The handling remembers me a bit to the Rob Papen synth. Everything is easy to find and the color-scheme is eye friendly.

Largo has all features we expect today. There is also a layering feature and a nice modulation matrix.
Soundwise. The presets can only give a first impression of the sound. But Largo remembers me to Absynth, Massiv and Z3ta The presets are... Mmh... I will not say average! But its not a synth I would buy because of the nice presets.

A preset system like the Rob Papen synths would be nice, the existing one really breaks the "complete" feel what this synth's giving to me
The presets are great for a first impression, they remind the me of the possibilities
Sorry, but in my opinion economy mode is useless. Just an another switch with additional programming and failure points. If you are Really low on cpu, record it or freeze the track. I have a mediocre pc, but I still want the best sound, with a stable synth engine.

As for the developers, I'd suggest optimizing the algorithms further, and fixing that really incomplete preset browser issue.
Now I'm going back to test this thing further, cause I want it to scream "Voodoo People" for me

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:39 pm

rectus_dominus wrote: Sorry, but in my opinion economy mode is useless. Just an another switch with additional programming and failure points. If you are Really low on cpu, record it or freeze the track. I have a mediocre pc, but I still want the best sound, with a stable synth engine.

Yes, but most synth and effects are using multiple oversampling. If this would be the point of the CPU usage of Largo then it could be easy to have such mode. Many plugins have extra settings for a rendering/quality mode or a extra "light" version.
A economy mode could be an option besides of optimizing their algorithms

bobbybland · Post by **bobbybland** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:06 pm

Nothing much I like in Largo.Looking forward to FxPansion's D-CAM !! Thanks for allowing us to demo this one.

nexusdawn · Post by **nexusdawn** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:11 pm

4damind wrote:
rectus_dominus wrote: Sorry, but in my opinion economy mode is useless. Just an another switch with additional programming and failure points. If you are Really low on cpu, record it or freeze the track. I have a mediocre pc, but I still want the best sound, with a stable synth engine.
Yes, but most synth and effects are using multiple oversampling. If this would be the point of the CPU usage of Largo then it could be easy to have such mode. Many plugins have extra settings for a rendering/quality mode or a extra "light" version.
A economy mode could be an option besides of optimizing their algorithms

An economy mode in any CPU intensive synth is never a bad idea. However, in terms of CPU use, and the quality of Largo's sound engine, I feel its well balanced and deserved.

I understand well that CPU use does not equate to quality, and speed optimization is a good thing. But more processor demanding soft synths and effects seem to be a natural progression in DSP technology as the algorithms evolve and tend to become more detailed and perhaps in some case, organic.

Largo, Sylenth1, and from what I can judge so far by previews of, D-CAM Synth Squad, Imposcar 2, etc, are taking us to the 'next level' of sonic quality. And when it comes to finely improving the subtle, but defining characteristics of sound; I'm all for trading in some CPU power for it.

It's not like most of us need to run 303 instances of onepingonly, and synth1 (or do we?).

Peace

MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:48 pm

Not so impressed. Had more fun with Komplexer. CPU load is too high, using multiple instances must be a nightmare. The sound has nothing special to my hears (some SM/SE are more clear and interesting). I'm sure this beast have a lot of interesting programming functions, but doesn't fit my needs. If I have to choose between the hated Sylenth and Largo I choose Sylenth. Great GUI anyway

and the 30 days trial is a great bonus.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:48 pm

The Mac AU version uses the Logic preset system... and the presets are grouped in categories by the sound designers along with the factory presets. Didn't realize that at first... Nice. As for the sound, definitely a Waldorf digital edge there. But a LOT of possibilities there in the architecture also. The presets, although a combination of "wow" and bread and butter... do use the matrix and mod sources a lot. And the sound changes quite a bit with these applied. Shows some programming went into these initial sounds. Overall, It makes the sounds I like, but I love FM8 and Zebra so there you go. All these super synths are as good as the programmers who jump in... I hope this is supported by them!

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:03 pm

nexusdawn wrote:Largo, Sylenth1, and from what I can judge so far by previews of, D-CAM Synth Squad, Imposcar 2, etc, are taking us to the 'next level' of sonic quality.[...]

Largo is not my cup of tea but nice that we have a demo now!

OT: I wait for Imposcar2 and Fxpansion Synth Squad

Largo demo version available!