One great way to expand the list of 20th century classical music you like is to go to Pandora.com (accounts are free) and then seed your station with pieces you already like and they will then play other music that is similar and or connected to it (similar structure, similar instrumentation, etc.). Also look for internet radio stations that play only 20th century music.
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A quick comment on elitism: There are very few homeless guys on the beach in California who went on to become famous composers, there are however several rock stars who lived that way. Classical music is a product of formal training and Universities. It is also the product of 18th, 19th, and 20th century western society. There is a reason it is sometimes called "dead white-guys music". There was (is?) a lot of elitism on who could be a classical composer. It is still hard for women and minorities to get jobs with the top orchestras as musicians. The writers of "popular" music are and always have been "closer" to their audience. So, yes the development of classical music is intertwined with "elitism". But anyone with ears can judge for themselves what they want to listen to.
There is 20th century classical that I love and there is some I hate. I could say the same about jazz, rock, punk rock, or any other music. Your taste is what is important for "you". I can't make you love my favorite Bartok. It is really hard to pin down something like "my composer is better than your composer." So dive in, listen to everything you can, search the net, ask a librarian (it will make their day), and build your list of favorites. Good Luck.
20th century 'classical'music
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
I like that.Murky wrote:There is 20th century classical that I love and there is some I hate. I could say the same about jazz, rock, punk rock, or any other music. Your taste is what is important for "you". I can't make you love my favorite Bartok. It is really hard to pin down something like "my composer is better than your composer." So dive in, listen to everything you can, search the net, ask a librarian (it will make their day), and build your list of favorites. Good Luck.
Music is there for anyone to love or hate, and no one needs to make any comments up front about how someone should prepare for listening to it. You like some, you're indifferent to some, you hate some. It's just the way it is.
It's possible that a musical education could influence how you listen to music, but I certainly don't think it's a prerequisite to being able to appreciate it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111257 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
the birds and the bugs dont get no educamashacum!
and they make better music than you.
you being any humanthing.
posted at or to noone in particular, just sayin.
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and they make better music than you.
you being any humanthing.
posted at or to noone in particular, just sayin.
:buzz:
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- addled muppet weed
- 111257 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
theyre not learning music though, just geography.robojam wrote:Whales make music but they travel around in schools, so what does that say about whales?
the majority of undersea creatures make noises too.
with a hydrophone some coral reefs with all the different fish can sound a lot like birdsong
squids are into techno, the real hard edged berlin style.
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- KVRAF
- 4048 posts since 18 Sep, 2004 from Places far less tedious than this blue trainwreck...
Yeah, I got into modern classical stuff (Stockhauesn, Xenakis, et al.)from a purely aesthetic appreciation, I'm actually a bit ashamed to say that I still don't know much about the theory behind it all.robojam wrote:It's possible that a musical education could influence how you listen to music, but I certainly don't think it's a prerequisite to being able to appreciate it.
I'm sure there would be plenty for me to appreciate there on an intellectual level when I finally get around to learning more about those aspect of it, but for the moment, stuff like that simply makes my ears happy, which is more than can be said for a lot of music out here.
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- KVRAF
- 1736 posts since 19 May, 2006 from Nomadic (Chicago and San Francisco mostly)
Maybe. But whales born in captivity sound different than whales in the wild.vurt wrote:theyre not learning music though, just geography.robojam wrote:Whales make music but they travel around in schools, so what does that say about whales?
Could be a coincidence, but who knows.
http://www.great-white-shark.com/whale-sounds.html
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- addled muppet weed
- 111257 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
maybe they just have different shit to say 
the truth is well never know one way or the other.
the truth is well never know one way or the other.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111257 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
surely theyd be homeschooled?robojam wrote:Well the ones in captivity wouldn't be in schools, so they wouldn't know if they were blowing an Eb or a C.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
yeah, I would tend to support that. but that's all they care to do, that's their education.vurt wrote:the birds and the bugs dont get no educamashacum!
and they make better music than you.
you being any humanthing.
posted at or to noone in particular, just sayin.
:buzz:
This idea of education means you went to some school is silly.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Zola-esque, see you cared more about reading something than I did. So, I don't get the reference.robojam wrote:No, not politics, just that I don't like musical snobbery.jancivil wrote:The 'j'accuse':'elitist!' kind of smacks of a political POV. Kind of sounds like it intends to enforce an imagined equality.
I certainly don't think the Zola-esque phrasing lessens the elistism in any way.
Elitist.
When you READ 'Zola', did you pay attention to it, or did you just let it wash over you cluelessly and blissfully?
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- addled muppet weed
- 111257 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
dont be twisting things now.jancivil wrote:yeah, I would tend to support that. but that's all they care to do, that's their education.vurt wrote:the birds and the bugs dont get no educamashacum!
and they make better music than you.
you being any humanthing.
posted at or to noone in particular, just sayin.
:buzz:
This idea of education means you went to some school is silly.
i wasnt decrying education of either sort, and nor is anyone else i dont think (i have a musical education anyway you bunch of losers
), what they are trying to get across is that some people who have had that "formal style" dont like the idea that some people have their own way of getting things done.-
- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
no, totally, you weren't, but there is that ideation in this thread: education means skool. Mentioning education is elitist. I was agreeing with you.
I am trying to enter this competition, which has a, not small prize. They want a score. It's hard for me to produce a score with what I do, very hard in fact, even when it sounds composed, I didn't do it the normal way. It's ironic because the things is supposed to try and reconcile the digital composer with the I guess real composer.
I am trying to enter this competition, which has a, not small prize. They want a score. It's hard for me to produce a score with what I do, very hard in fact, even when it sounds composed, I didn't do it the normal way. It's ironic because the things is supposed to try and reconcile the digital composer with the I guess real composer.