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antto · Post by **antto** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:08 am

xybre wrote:I'm using VB-303 in a song along side EnergyPro, its really awesome, though it seems the internal sequencers of the two synths are off beat or something, they don't seem to match up perfectly. Still sounds awesome though.

two things to say: the internal sequencer timing may vary a little from the Host
1) it can cause problems when: you sequence note-on- note-off (and slides) (in the DAW i mean)
i will attempt to fix this somehow (probably i'll delay the very first note-on)
2) if you put 2 instances of the synth together with all settings/patterns everything exactly the same - they will drift off of each-other ;P~
bad power supply ;]

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:41 am

antto wrote:xybre: hey, good job there ;]
i read it carefully
just some little corrections

Thanks! I'll make the changes and upload it when I get a chance.

antto wrote:- Swap - well, this is somewhat not what you think is...

Wow, okay. I'll have to add a section or something for that.

antto · Post by **antto** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:52 pm

oh, and i forgot.. knobs are not rotary, they are vertical (down = low, up = high) ... i hate rotary mouse response ;]

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:54 pm

antto wrote:oh, and i forgot.. knobs are not rotary, they are vertical (down = low, up = high) ... i hate rotary mouse response ;]

Ack, how did I screw that up. I must have been thinking of the weird switch action or something.

8-8 · Post by **8-8** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:55 pm

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Antto, this is a great VST you should be very pleased with yourself. It sent me on a tangent today, I was supposed to be working on a remix, but had too much fun playing with Venom, so much so I had to re-join KVR because I've lost my password, and had to tell you!

Made a little track, two V303's running with a little delay,called it
"SNAKE BITE" loved using it!
http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7843424 (http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7843424)

Well done again.
8-8
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antto · Post by **antto** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:07 pm

8-8 well done ;]
i'm happy to hear the synth is useful ;]

i did some tests today too, i was trying to catch a bug, but suddenly i started adding some beats and stuff, i realised i didn't find any bug, instead i got working on a track too ;P~
it's contagious ;]

antto · Post by **antto** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:44 pm

good news, i have a moog-type filter working OK, and replaced the current one with it, just temporarly..
when i turn the reso high, it sounds great (and actually quite close to the current filter)
but when i turn the reso off it is much better
actually my current filter doesn't appear to have 24dB attenuation at all
turn the reso/cutoff/decay down, and turn the envelope high, you will hear
my current filter doesn't have good attenuation there
now this moog-type filter sounds perfect there (fat, fat, sooo fat)
it's closer to the 303 ;]

so in the next release, either i'll remove the current filter completely (and leave only 1 filter type (thus no selector)) ... or will replace only the default 24dB type with this moog filter (then, the current filter will be the same when 18 and 36dB is chosen, 24dB will be the moog)

but if i leave my current filter in the next version, i will definately decreas a little the max resonance level of the knob (it's too rude in the high frequencies)

another thing, very important
i guess some of you are playing with this beta version right now, some of you are probably making tracks too
unfortunately, i am 99% sure that the next release won't work correctly when opened from projects saved with the beta version
the next release will have the same VST ID, so you can't have both versions in your DAW..
when this time comes, i recommend not opening/saving projects that use the beta version of the synth, while you've installed the new version..

grymmjack · Post by **grymmjack** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:03 pm

antto; finally had a play with this thing. it sounds uniquely more hardcore than the others i own already. it's a cool little box and the UI is great man. the pattern programming is still quirky and certain things wouldn't even work; i couldn't change from saw to square and 1 and 2 waveform for instance (ableton live 8 is all i tried it in).

i'd really like the thing more if it loaded only 1 pattern per octave and then offset the pattern wherever you played it from that octave by that key. ie: you load pattern1 into C1 and play it with different notes so it is a bit like an arp in that way (like silverbox can do), pattern 2 into c2, etc.

it's cool though regardless. the distortion has some ACIIIIID on it, pretty great. might not be authentic or whatever but it sounds raw and filthy and in your face. the distortion sounds more than just foldback, sine waveshaper, etc, almost as if it's got a saturation behind it - if you compare venom to abl2 venoms distortion just products many more harmonics even adjusting the abl2 filter parameters to be as squelchy as i can i can't get it to sound as bitchy and mean as venom. now if i follow abl2 with ohmicide or trash i can get something closer but that's about it. the silverbox distortion cant get this mean but it's the easiest one to use imo between all of them.

the pattern programming wasn't as bad as i thought it would be on venom but it was still a chore trying to read the text, man that's tiny! i almost had to run magnify.exe but yeah you're right you get to know where things are at after a while.

very wicked 303

arp_laszlo · Post by **arp_laszlo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:50 am

NICE work man! I tried installing Reason on my new laptop w/ Vista 64 and I was pissed it wouldn't. But your synth is scratching the itch VERY nicely, and I think the range of sound it's capable of is a pleasant surprise. I'd agree that it has some acieed in it. I haven't had this much fun noodling with a synth in ages

antto · Post by **antto** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:46 am

grymmjack: thanks!
you couldn't change the waveform? erm, try this: catch the WaveForm switch and move it to the right, a lot, it should switch ;]
btw anything that has a button or knob or some kind of control - has a purpose, i haven't added controls that do "nothing"
1 pattern per octave + transpose? um, then the synth will have a total of 10 patterns, i really don't like this, i worked hard to achieve those 120 patterns (i wanted 128 in the begining)
distortion: well, i'm not sure what you mean by "saturation" but all of the 3 types of distortion have some LP filter in there (the foldback has a little more)
GUI too small: i know, i don't promise anything tho..
i think that musicians have to put a little more time to "understand" the instruments they intend to use.. maybe we've gotten too far with the "make it simple with presets for everything, so that i never have to use any of the 40 knobs there"
i think this is wrong ^^^
9 years back, when i was learning some basic stuff, i felt so limited by the presets available for the instruments i had, i tryied tweaking them but i didn't understand them, i didn't stop tweaking
a few years later i learned that the "OSC" is what makes the sound, the the "FILTER" is what models it.. and i knew what i was doing when i tweak something (and found the common functionality in different synths)
now i don't use presets for synths that i know.. i always look for a "different" sound ;]
so.. i think we should put a little more time to understand our instruments
thank you for the reply!

arp_laszlo: thank you ;]
i believe it will sound even better in the next release
i waste a lot of time in "noodling" with it too ;]

antto · Post by **antto** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:57 am

grymmjack: on second thought, the synth doesn't use the Note Velocity input
i can do the following:
you sequence notes in you're DAW, the synth plays the patterns corresponding to the note numbers (this is how it works right now)
but the velocity of each note sent to the synth tells it to transpose the pattern differently
so the velocity will have hm.. 12 levels?
i can do that, tho i'm not sure if i'll ever use it..
btw SilverBox (that you said works like an Arp) has MIDI OUT as far as i know, so probably this is why it's useful
i think i can't make a MIDI out on my synth..
anyways, if i do this "arp" mode with the velocity - i have a concern..
i think in most daws the default velocity (when you sequence a note) is around 78% (or 100/127 to be precise)
so if Velocity 0 = original transpose of the pattern, then users that never use the "arp" thing will have to set the velocity to 0 always.. (i imagine it for myself, argh..)
i could otherwise make the default velocity (100/127) to be the un-transposed pattern, but then it'll be more complicated for users who use the "arp" thing..

it's an interesting function tho..

8-8 · Post by **8-8** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:54 am

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Antto, your 303 squelches are pleasing someone, two tracks made with Venom are at #1 and #3 in Soundclick Acid chart.

http://www.soundclick.com/genres/charts ... genreID=68 (http://www.soundclick.com/genres/charts.cfm?genre=Electronica&subgenreID=68) Look foward to the next update!
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antto · Post by **antto** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:57 pm

8-8 wrote:Antto, your 303 squelches are pleasing someone, two tracks made with Venom are at #1 and #3 in Soundclick Acid chart.

aah.. that's wonderful, really, it means that i haven't wasted those 4+ months

btw, BUG, very stupid typo in my filter code (that's in the beta version)
in practice, the built in oversampling of the filter is x4 but it's actually x2 (i have a buffer/pointer typo, forgot to fix the variable names after a copy/paste)
maybe this is one reason for the lack of attenuation of the filter.. i'm not sure, i'll have to check it..
DAMN it ;]

arp_laszlo · Post by **arp_laszlo** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:20 pm

Man - this is like hardware. Last night I made a random pattern that rocked, I saved the project in FL Studio and ... forgot to save the pattern itself!

Shamanix · Post by **Shamanix** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:03 pm

Any chance of a version that doesn't need SSE2 for us with prehistoric computers?

Link: Venom VB-303 VSTi (Beta release)