KVR Audio

antto · Post by **antto** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:19 pm

xybre wrote:I know I'm disagreeing with most people when I say this, but I like the GUI. The switch controls should be click-to-activate probably instead of drag-across-the-screen. But I'm pretty used to it now. After I sat down and went through every part of it, its actually pretty easy to get around.

I use 1920x1280 on a 27" screen btw.

On the other hand, if you need some help with a larger GUI I might be able to help. Also, not to volunteer anyone, you could ask Grymmjack, I use a lot of plugins with GUIs he's designed.

hey thanks! ;]
i'm still not sure what i'm gonna do with the GUI
if i add to much new stuff, or change too much the old stuff, i'll have to change the GUI, or completely redo it from scratch..

one easy way to make it a little bit bigger would be to make it twice the size it is now, but i'm worried about that, it'll be like 1028x584 or somethin.. naaah
one of the things i do in my GUIs is to make everything in odd dimensions and odd spaces between it (like fonts are 5x5 or 3x5 and have 1 pixel gap between them, so no matter how many letters i put toghether, their size is alwas odd)
..this is why i use Paint, and not PhotoShop for example..
and i really want to stick to that "device" look.. i don't want to add menus combo boxes and stuff..

even if i remake the GUI from scratch, i'll keep the device feel to it..
thanks ;]

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:36 pm

I've updated my VB-303 docs, reflecting corrections/explanations Antto has given and I've cleaned up the "How to" section at the bottom.

http://xybreion.org/vst/VB-303Docs.txt

If you have any questions/suggestions/clarifications/money let me know here or via PM.

fixed typo; updated url

arp_laszlo · Post by **arp_laszlo** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:42 pm

JediMind wrote:With or without the GUI in view, when I press play Reaper freezes for about 1-2 seconds before actually playing anythin

I'm getting the same behavior in FL Studio 8 (did not check on 8.5 beta yet). Hit Play, then there's a 2-second-ish lag.

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:09 pm

arp_laszlo wrote:I'm getting the same behavior in FL Studio 8 (did not check on 8.5 beta yet). Hit Play, then there's a 2-second-ish lag.

There should be a setting in FL that says something like "reset plugins", disable that. If that doesn't work, try disabling multiprocessor support and see if that fixes it. It may not, but at least it will narrow the possible causes.

Works in Energy XT2 just fine btw.

antto · Post by **antto** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:45 pm

xybre: thanks, this is great, probably i should add a link to it on the first post?
very nice programming tips, you seem to be rockin' the sequencer ;]

um, "reset plugins" i don't know
i do get a "freeze" when i press the STOP button sometimes (FLStudio5)
// i mean the STOP button, not the space bar (which seems to be doing something different)
not sure what it does..
but i get no freezes when i press play
i'll check how it works on FruityLoops3.56 ;P~
EDIT: just tested it, FL3.56 / winXP
plugin runs - no problem, freezes when Play is pushed (doesn't matter whether the button is used or space bar)
i have selected "Reset plugins on transport" option from the FL settings (which i haven't used in FLStudio5, so i didn't knew it freezes)
uncheck it for faster response

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:26 pm

antto wrote:xybre: thanks, this is great, probably i should add a link to it on the first post?
very nice programming tips, you seem to be rockin' the sequencer ;]

Thanks, I really dig what you've done. Sure, put it on the front page. When I get around to it I will html-ize it so it'll have a proper web page too.

antto · Post by **antto** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:51 pm

ok, but don't spend too much time with it, it's ok like that
..and the next release will be quite different, so this is valid only for the beta..
thanks ;]

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:55 pm

antto wrote:ok, but don't spend too much time with it, it's ok like that
..and the next release will be quite different, so this is valid only for the beta..
thanks ;]

Nah, its no problem, I can do HTML in my sleep. Its what I do for a living (well a small part of it).

antto · Post by **antto** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:51 am

xybre thanks a lot for this ;]

i'll add my bugfix/changes/todo list for the next release, on the first post
currently i got only 3 known bugs that i can fix.. and some todo stuff..

i fixed the clipboard not being saved correctly (now it works)

antto · Post by **antto** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:45 pm

whilie fixing the clipboard, i discovered some suspicios "typos" or something, i suspect that Copy/Swap doesn't work at all in the beta (holly cow)
anyway, i fixed it, now it works correctly, i checked all scenarios..

CPU usage.. i think i'll just add a "Economy" switch on the back panel, which will make the Oscilators and Filter, to stop working immediately when there is no Volume (from the VCA)
it would be strongly recomended to NOT use this for final rendering of the tracks
i changed the synth structure a bit, it was OSC>VCA>FILTER now it's OSC>FILTER>VCA
so this "Economy" mode will make a difference with the filter:
normaly between each step, there is a gap (StepLength = 4/8) during this gap the OSC should still run, and the filter should still process the OSC, tho the VCA will kill the Filter output, but when the VCA triggers again (next step) then there would be already some resonance going on.. you know..
so this "Economy" mode should be enabled only when building your project, NOT for final renderings
hm, maybe the Distortion could be turned OFF like the others in Economy mode
in Economy mode the sound will be "cheap" ..

new filter:
i think it'll still have 3 modes like now, tho it'll be a little different
i got this new sort-of-303 filter, and it actually sounds explicitly good (i *love* it)
so it'll be the "Main" or "Default" filter mode..
the old filter from the beta? well, i fixed it's bug with oversampling, now it sounds the way it should, still not like the new one, but i'll keep it (the 24dB version)
the third filter mode? well, i don't know yet, if i can find something interesting (like a Notch filter or something crazy (how about a variable decimator with feedback?)) i'll add it there, or if nothing is worth it i'll leave the old-filter's 18dB mode there

new slider on the back panel - "More Reso"
it'll be probably for the new 303-like filter
the default value is fair, increasing the slider adds more reso and the filter starts screaming like hell <evil laugh>

FreeBee patern Export: will try to do this, tho there will be a difference
StepLength will not be saved (there's no way) so all steps will be like 4/8

PatternShift mode switch on the back panel: since the sequencer has this option even in the beta (i forgot to add a switch for it) ...
there are 2 modes when Shifting the pattern: 1) Shift the whole 16 steps (this is what it does in the beta) and 2) shift only the used steps (Pattern Length) leave the rest..

Default values: will retune the Default Preset values to a closer 303 setup (now PW should be less than 98% i think)
Presets/Banks shouldn't be used, they will still spoil the sequencer memory, i can't change that.. you'll have to tweak the synth everytime ;]

that's it for now..

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:05 pm

Hey I really liked the demos of the new filter. Good to see progress

antto · Post by **antto** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:58 pm

i just recompiled my modules without SSE.. and tested the synth on the old PC
Win98SE + FruityLoops3.56
AMD Duron 650MHz 256mb SD Ram (PC133)
CPU Usage: 33 - 65%

well, it's pretty bad.. SSE really helps i guess..
i will try my best to optimize it, can't promise anything..

btw now i can make some Audio demos with it..
i *think* the distortion has less aliasing now (due to the better attenuation of this new filter, and the fixed oversampling bug)

antto · Post by **antto** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:54 pm

here are two new audio samples with the 303-ish filter:
http://www.box.net/shared/bopxszjxdl
(fair resonance level)
http://www.box.net/shared/y88mk67xzi
(remember josh wink? WARNING: LOUD NOISE THERE!)

i think, after i finish this project, i might give a try to 909 and 808 too (if i can do something similar)

xybre · Post by **xybre** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:08 pm

antto wrote:here are two new audio samples with the 303-ish filter:
http://www.box.net/shared/bopxszjxdl
(fair resonance level)
http://www.box.net/shared/y88mk67xzi
(remember josh wink? WARNING: LOUD NOISE THERE!)

Sounds pretty good

JediMind · Post by **JediMind** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:22 am

antto wrote:here are two new audio samples with the 303-ish filter:
http://www.box.net/shared/bopxszjxdl
(fair resonance level)
http://www.box.net/shared/y88mk67xzi
(remember josh wink? WARNING: LOUD NOISE THERE!)

i think, after i finish this project, i might give a try to 909 and 808 too (if i can do something similar)

Hiiiiiighhhhheeeerrrr staaaaaattttte oooooooooooffff cooonnnsciooooussssnesssss

Link: Venom VB-303 VSTi (Beta release)