Poll: What is your favorite DAW?

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BTW name dropping is kind of silly, it's not who says it but what is said.

When did that change?

Seriously, there are people in the business whose expertise does offer a higher level of knowledge and experience than is common to most of us.

you'll need to back that up with facts, in fact really don't bother because it's simply not true. You can learn something from everyone and often you learn better from those we can relate to. Though a big time producer has a lot of experience he might not have the experience that someone in a project studio may require. Secondly people at the same level brainstorming together may come up with better answers, in fact this has been proven over and over throughout history.

Even better is when you learn by discovery because that often means that not only do you learn something but the discovery process often means you understand it too. Learning is one thing, understanding imho is much better. I also think that is more likely to come from peers than from being taught by big name professionals.

I think this whole "the well known pros knows best" is getting old. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do not listen to them, I'm not saying that they don't what they are talking about, in fact I think you should listen to their words. But I think the exact same consideration should be given to those who are not well known names as well, if you don't only you miss out

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ahh but there is something significant, there is validation for those who might question their choices.

Oh dear lord. Every forum I read on every hobby on earth contains dozens (if not hundreds) of threads starting out with something like, "I just spent the rent/food money on DAW-Of-The-Week. Please tell me I'm not a complete idiot!", followed immediately by a chorus of people jumping in with, "It might have been a good idea to ask that question before you committed yourself to a life of poverty, doncha think?"

And I guess it's slightly healthier than the penniless wanker described above mindlessly flaming anyone who has the gall to report the obvious bugs in v0.0.1(beta) of DAW-Of-The-Week. But just barely.

(At least here, it's relative cheap stuff, rather than the $10K power tools or $50K cars I've seen people seeking "validation" for elsewhere.)

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BTW name dropping is kind of silly, it's not who says it but what is said.

I don't think this is silly.
Its often better to have real (known) name behind some informations, because you find many wrong informations from unknown users without enough knowledge in such forums. If you get an answer from Bob Katz, Bruce Swedien or guy where you know he has work long time with success in the business, you can be sure to get the right informations.

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BTW name dropping is kind of silly, it's not who says it but what is said.

I don't think this is silly.
Its often better to have real (known) name behind some informations, because you find many wrong informations from unknown users without enough knowledge in such forums. If you get an answer from Bob Katz, Bruce Swedien or guy where you know he has work long time with success in the business, you can be sure to get the right informations.

I'm sorry, I cannot follow that line of reasoning at all, I don't expect you to agree with my line of reasoning...but I just cannot agree with that.

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BTW name dropping is kind of silly, it's not who says it but what is said.

When did that change?

Seriously, there are people in the business whose expertise does offer a higher level of knowledge and experience than is common to most of us.

you'll need to back that up with facts, in fact really don't bother because it's simply not true.

Okay...you just saved me at least one paragraph.

You can learn something from everyone and often you learn better from those we can relate to. Though a big time producer has a lot of experience he might not have the experience that someone in a project studio may require.

That could certainly be true, but then again, there's nothing like having to earn your living by pleasing very demanding people to make one acquire a lot of knowledge and experience over weeks, months and years of daily involvement. It's the kind of knowledge that's more difficult to come by if the project studio is in between a day job, sleep and other responsibilities.

I think this whole "the well known pros knows best" is getting old. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do not listen to them, I'm not saying that they don't what they are talking about, in fact I think you should listen to their words. But I think the exact same consideration should be given to those who are not well known names as well, if you don't only you miss out

I understand your philosophy on this, but it's more than possible to find posts from people who don't know enough to do so but still go ahead and give advice that really isn't all that good or even useful. At least with "names" you're more sure of the source and thus the quality of the information. And I don't think it's an issue of pros knowing best but rather knowing a lot.

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D'oh! Sorry about that. (I fixed it in my post as well.)

Hey, let's get a poll/flamewar started on the relative merits of vBulletin vs phpBB!! It'll fit right in with the KVR vs Gearslutz discussion...

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ahh but there is something significant, there is validation for those who might question their choices.

Oh dear lord. Every forum I read on every hobby on earth contains dozens (if not hundreds) of threads starting out with something like, "I just spent the rent/food money on DAW-Of-The-Week. Please tell me I'm not a complete idiot!", followed immediately by a chorus of people jumping in with, "It might have been a good idea to ask that question before you committed yourself to a life of poverty, doncha think?"

You can sort of understand wanting to confirm having made the right decision, but it seems like an accident waiting to happen. Some will confirm the wisdom of one's choice, while others will heap derision on the selection and extol the virtues of their own judgement. There's really no winning this.

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eduardo, did you miss how I ended that post?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do not listen to them, I'm not saying that they don't what they are talking about, in fact I think you should listen to their words. But I think the exact same consideration should be given to those who are not well known names as well, if you don't only you miss out

I contend for every well known pro in every single profession there are many more unknowns that know as much or more. Many of those not well known professionals are in universities and schools all over the world teaching, they call them professors. Now I assume "professor" comes from "professional" and has nothing to do with well known professionals...could be just be me but I don't think "more well known" equals "knows more well"

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I am surprised there is so little Sonar love.

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I am surprised there is so little Sonar love.

I'm surprised Studio One is on there and it's not yet available

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eduardo, did you miss how I ended that post?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do not listen to them, I'm not saying that they don't what they are talking about, in fact I think you should listen to their words. But I think the exact same consideration should be given to those who are not well known names as well, if you don't only you miss out

I contend for every well known pro in every single profession there are many more unknowns that know as much or more. Many of those not well known professionals are in universities and schools all over the world teaching, they call them professors. Now I assume "professor" comes from "professional" and has nothing to do with well known professionals...could be just be me but I don't think "more well known" equals "knows more well"

I thought I did reply to it, but perhaps not directly enough.

I tend in the other direction. Although there certainly are "experts" who do not earn their living or reputation professionally, the likelihood of getting quality information increases, in my opinion, when the information comes from those who pay the bills with their expertise. To me, the reliability of the information simply increases many-fold. Others have noted from time to time that someone who spends their days deeply involved with, say, mixing, is simply going to have more experience, solved more problems and learned more than someone who does it a few hours a week. I see no reason to disagree with this.

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I am surprised there is so little Sonar love.

Isn't Sonar considered more "professional" (I do hesitate to use that word) than many other DAWs? That's certainly my impression from threads here.

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eduardo, did you miss how I ended that post?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying do not listen to them, I'm not saying that they don't what they are talking about, in fact I think you should listen to their words. But I think the exact same consideration should be given to those who are not well known names as well, if you don't only you miss out

I contend for every well known pro in every single profession there are many more unknowns that know as much or more. Many of those not well known professionals are in universities and schools all over the world teaching, they call them professors. Now I assume "professor" comes from "professional" and has nothing to do with well known professionals...could be just be me but I don't think "more well known" equals "knows more well"

I thought I did reply to it, but perhaps not directly enough.

I tend in the other direction. Although there certainly are "experts" who do not earn their living or reputation professionally, the likelihood of getting quality information increases, in my opinion, when the information comes from those who pay the bills with their expertise. To me, the reliability of the information simply increases many-fold. Others have noted from time to time that someone who spends their days deeply involved with, say, mixing, is simply going to have more experience, solved more problems and learned more than someone who does it a few hours a week. I see no reason to disagree with this.

Eduardo, please stop trying to be right and see that I never disagreed with that. I am speaking about two words and profession is not one of them. I'm speaking about "well known" which I assumed you understood when you replied to my post about name dropping. I have never heard someone drop unknown names, "I know I'm right be Peter Sackenballs says so".

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fee fi foe fum, I smell a lock coming for this one

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fee fi foe fum, I smell a lock coming for this one

why? it's a civil debate...