Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

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FWIW codemeter crashed in leopard on me.

about 10 minutes after i exited record too (another )

Yeah, I've seen that happen to. Only on Mac, though (you know, the "it just works" platform... )

all we need is another friggin copy protection.. they couldn't go with syncrosoft could they

I was under the impression that Steinberg bought out the USB-key thingy from Syncrosoft, it's called eLicenser now and no longer has anything to do with Syncrosoft. Apparently used by Arturia, Korg, reFX, Rob Papen, Vengeance and Waldorf. So... bunch of VST plugins and Record on the same key? Ouch.

Seriously though, I don't think they'd want to make themselves dependent on Steinberg again. I'm not sure why they went with CodeMeter rather than iLok, but whatever it was I'm sure it was technical/geeky.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[koalaboy]

launchd still keeps trying to do something with Codemeter on my Mac - even though I ran the correct uninstaller and everything. It's been far worse than iLok or Synchrosoft for me, and I'm not even using it

[5.1]

Its is not a DAW.

It's a DAW, Jim, but not as we know it.

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Its is not a DAW.

It's a DAW, Jim, but not as we know it.

You mean like those Volvo airplanes that don't have any wings? Yeah, they keep trying to call them "cars", but we know better. They're airplanes disturbingly lacking in the aviation department. Volvo are just trying to weasel their way out of the responsibility to add the missing features.

[christianmusicmaker]

Its is not a DAW.

It's a DAW, Jim, but not as we know it.

Personally I think Props can call it want they want (it's their product) but they seem terribly scared of comparison with similar applications that also allow you to work with D...igital A...udio in a virtual software W...orkstation.

This is going too far IMO...

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Personally I think Props can call it want they want (it's their product) but they seem terribly scared of comparison with similar applications that also allow you to work with D...igital A...udio in a virtual software W...orkstation.

That aspect doesn't concern them much, people have been listing and lamenting Reason's lack of this or that feature for aeons... the products are out there for everyone to compare to other products so it's not like it's possible to hide anything or make up anyone's mind on what to call stuff.

The reason they don't like the term DAW is the middle part, "audio" (not that "digital" and "workstation" are sexy either). To them it's all about music, and referring to music as audio is kinda like referring to humans as meat. It's technically correct, but a bit cold and icky. They want to put the emphasis on what it's really about... emotions, not sound waves. Why? I don't know. Maybe they push the soft values to make more women buy it. Maybe they're pretentious. Maybe they're just insane. But it ties into this whole "for musicians, not engineers" thing. Music is a huge part of their creative process and there's a lot of playing going on in the office, at least half the staff are in one band or the other. I sat opposite the product manager for Record for a few months last year and I rarely saw him without a guitar or bass on his lap, jamming away. They really live by this "music not audio" thing, it's not just some marketing ploy.

[koolkeys]

I was under the impression that Steinberg bought out the USB-key thingy from Syncrosoft, it's called eLicenser now and no longer has anything to do with Syncrosoft. Apparently used by Arturia, Korg, reFX, Rob Papen, Vengeance and Waldorf. So... bunch of VST plugins and Record on the same key? Ouch.

They bought the technology for the copy protection. But the dongle and the elicensor are not separate things. They both work together. Some programs only allow the dongle, but those that use the elicensor can generally be transferred to a key.

And are you saying that you don't want multiple products on a single key? Why? Would you rather have ten keys plugged in? Or I think maybe I misunderstood that part? That's what I think is going on because I can't imagine somebody being against combining licenses in favor of separate ones.

Brent

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And are you saying that you don't want multiple products on a single key?

No, it was a comment on the irony of Record/Reason sharing a key with VST plugins, it's kinda like shoving a bunch of cats and dogs into a small room and closing the door.

[koolkeys]

And are you saying that you don't want multiple products on a single key?

No, it was a comment on the irony of Record/Reason sharing a key with VST plugins, it's kinda like shoving a bunch of cats and dogs into a small room and closing the door.

Oh, gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense looking back. I honestly just wasn't sure what you were saying.

But now that you say it, I think it's kind of humorous to think about!

Brent

[v1o]

I don't know where this "DAW" business came from. Programs like Orion, Fruity and Reason used to be called software studios. Programs like Cubase, Logic and Sonar were called Sequencers. And programs like Octamed, Impulse Tracker and Buzz were called Trackers. DAW used to mean a hardware device; consisting of a mixing console, control surface, audio converter and data storage in one device.

In that sense Record is not a DAW. These programs are all based on very different concepts and paradigms, you can't just lump them all under this newly created DAW monicker. They are conceptually very different.

[koolkeys]

In that sense Record is not a DAW. These programs are all based on very different concepts and paradigms, you can't just lump them all under this newly created DAW monicker. They are conceptually very different.

Who says though? Technology has changed and most hosts can do all the things that hardware used to do. Why in the world wouldn't you be able to call software a DAW? Even Record COULD possibly be considered one, depending on how your definition is of "DAW". But I would NOT call it a Host, nor would I consider Reason to be a host either.

DAW technically would include the computer and speakers as well, but not necessarily. I just think everyone has a different definition of what one is.

Brent

[bullshark]

Why in the world wouldn't you be able to call software a DAW?

For the same reason you wouldn't call a horse a whale, because it's false and it get's confusing. A DAW always meant Digital Audio Workstation, so it's the whole unit hardware+software; then some bright one chose to disregard the meaning and apply it to just about anything so, of course, confusion is bound to ensue.

So why not go to town with the concept then, everybody giver their own meaning to any words and acronym as they see fit, and jumble those words in any order they want to convey your ideas. That would be fun.

life soon man fish get fail stupendous?

[Meffy]

A computer is a room full of refrigerator-sized boxes laden with whirling tape reels, attended by lab-coated priests and priestesses. That's what it meant when I was young, so that's what it means now no matter what else has changed. You wouldn't call a little box on your desk a computer, or a folding thing with built-in keyboard and display, or a pocket-sized device.

[koolkeys]

Why in the world wouldn't you be able to call software a DAW?

For the same reason you wouldn't call a horse a whale, because it's false and it get's confusing. A DAW always meant Digital Audio Workstation, so it's the whole unit hardware+software; then some bright one chose to disregard the meaning and apply it to just about anything so, of course, confusion is bound to ensue.

So why not go to town with the concept then, everybody giver their own meaning to any words and acronym as they see fit, and jumble those words in any order they want to convey your ideas. That would be fun.

life soon man fish get fail stupendous?

But if you take DAW literally, anything that works with digital audio COULD be considered a workstation. Sure, a DAW is a system, all components combined. But depending on how literally people take the word "workstation", different people may think different things.

FWIW, I typically use the word "Host" or sometimes "DAW Host". I don't disagree with anyone here about the definition really. I just think it can be thought of differently, depending on how literal you are. I don't like using the term personally.

Brent