Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[Dogboy73]

Cheers Dogboy73..

eh?!

[blank/diod]

I don't have so much to sell really as I like to keep it simple (one of the *reasons* Reason/Record appeals to me so much)...Cubase 5 would be the big seller..

Keeping it simple works marvels for my creativity. I produced stuff like a maniac with my first rig (4-track portastudio + SPX90 reverb + Juno 2 + RX11), but as time went on and I kept buying more and more gear (while the gear was rapidly becoming more capable, multitimbral etc), I got to a point where I more or less stopped making music altogether. I assumed it was out of boredom and age. But then when I toyed around with ReBirth for the first time in 1996, I got the old spark back. It wasn't that I could even begin to make full tracks with two bass monosynths, a delay and an 808, but just the whole thing of having extreme limitations that made me want to beat the hell out of that thing and make it bend over backwards to produce sounds it shouldn't be capable of producing. It was just like the portastudio/Juno-2 days when the fight against impossible odds drove me to create stuff that sounded like it came out of something twenty times bigger. From that perspective, Record/Reason is actually a bit too much(!). Reason 1.0 had much of ReBirth's imposed limitation factor because there were very few instruments and FX, and they couldn't be stacked with the Combinator... it gave the right amount of "resistance".

[Dogboy73]

Great post, blank/diod. I think you're sport on as well. Limitation is a big plus for creativity. It makes you push the equipment & work harder. You do so because getting results with such limitations is so much more rewarding & enjoyable. Less is definitely more. To much going on & you don't know where to start. You have to be so much more disciplined & focussed & all your efforts go into this, which stifles creativity I feel. And your right about Reason & Record being to much. Some would say that lack of VST support in Reason makes it limited. But if you look at what Reason can do compared to what we had to work with say 10, 15 or 20 years ago. It's far from limited. My Neptune 2 analogue monosynth is limited but that's a bloody good thing. I've probably spent more time fiddling with that than anything other equipment/software that I have. I think the limitations of the machine force you to work with it. It's simple & easy to use but then it's just all about trying to coax more & more sounds from it.

[lotus2035]

Cheers Dogboy73..

eh?!

Thanks for the comments man, the comments!!

[lotus2035]

I don't have so much to sell really as I like to keep it simple (one of the *reasons* Reason/Record appeals to me so much)...Cubase 5 would be the big seller..

Keeping it simple works marvels for my creativity. I produced stuff like a maniac with my first rig (4-track portastudio + SPX90 reverb + Juno 2 + RX11), but as time went on and I kept buying more and more gear (while the gear was rapidly becoming more capable, multitimbral etc), I got to a point where I more or less stopped making music altogether. I assumed it was out of boredom and age. But then when I toyed around with ReBirth for the first time in 1996, I got the old spark back. It wasn't that I could even begin to make full tracks with two bass monosynths, a delay and an 808, but just the whole thing of having extreme limitations that made me want to beat the hell out of that thing and make it bend over backwards to produce sounds it shouldn't be capable of producing. It was just like the portastudio/Juno-2 days when the fight against impossible odds drove me to create stuff that sounded like it came out of something twenty times bigger. From that perspective, Record/Reason is actually a bit too much(!). Reason 1.0 had much of ReBirth's imposed limitation factor because there were very few instruments and FX, and they couldn't be stacked with the Combinator... it gave the right amount of "resistance".

Yes, you're absolutely right about limitations...As far as Reason/Record goes the only thing that stopping me from going ahead with the change is VariAudio in Cubase 5!

[Aloysius]

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[Dogboy73]

Cheers Dogboy73..

eh?!

Thanks for the comments man, the comments!!

Ah, I see. Cheers

[Dogboy73]

Well not long now until Record starts shipping. The Prop's have even posted some pics of the warehouse goings on on their site;

http://www.propellerheads.se/company/cr ... lan&PID=18


So who's going to buy it then? Not me. The omission of MIDI-out has sealed that for me. Not being able to control my external gear from Record/Reason makes it about as much use as a cat flap in an elephant house! I just don't understand why the Props have left this bread & butter feature of every sequencer/DAW ever made out of Record

[christianmusicmaker]

So who's going to buy it then? Not me.

I will not be buying Record either. But I think it should be a very good fit for Reason users. Just not for me on many levels...Price, no VST support, GUI, no x64 version e.t.c

[randyandyvandaman]

I won't take credit for someone's post on Props website beta forum but is it
better to have limited tools that are innovative, than to have innovative tools that are limited.

I have several DAW's, but one size doesn't fit all. I agree with Christian music maker but mainly on lack of 64 bit support. Vst's don't bother me.
As I already own/licence R 4 I will take the plunge.

Cheers

[Dogboy73]

So who's going to buy it then? Not me.

I will not be buying Record either. But I think it should be a very good fit for Reason users. Just not for me on many levels...Price, no VST support, GUI, no x64 version e.t.c

Well I'm a Reason user (have been since V1) & it's not a very good fit for me! It would have been near perfect with MIDI-out so I'm dissapointed the Prop's have decided to omit such a basic fundamental element of a DAW/sequencing application. I can completely understand why they don't have VST support as it's very difficult to see how it could be implimented into the Reason/Record rack. Infact I've always been dead against VST support in Reason. But no MIDI-out in a DAW? I know the Prop's like to do things their own way & I they should be commended for it. I'm a huge Reason fan. But I can't understand why they would leave people with external MIDI gear out in the cold like this ..... In truth I'm just gutted I won't be able to control my Neptune 2 synth from the Matrix or RPG-8, Or trigger my MFB-522 drum machine from ReDrum, or sync the LFO on my VF-1 filter to MIDI clock .... etc, etc ,etc and then record the results back into Record for arranging & furthr sonic mangling, mixing & mastering. Here's hoping for Record 1.5 or 2.0.

[christianmusicmaker]

I stand corrrected then. I guess some of the existing Reason users out there may not find Record suitable for their needs.

I think Record is no big deal to be honest, pretty average but clearly some will like it and some will not

[John Vulich]

Well I'm a Reason user (have been since V1) & it's not a very good fit for me! It would have been near perfect with MIDI-out so I'm dissapointed the Prop's have decided to omit such a basic fundamental element of a DAW/sequencing application. I can completely understand why they don't have VST support as it's very difficult to see how it could be implimented into the Reason/Record rack. Infact I've always been dead against VST support in Reason. But no MIDI-out in a DAW?

IT'S NOT A DAW!!! IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR RECORDING, ARRANGING AND MIXING AUDIO!!!

[demetrisag]

come on guys its being going on and on. a little boring post and nothing to achieve from it. Its that simple what the guys at propellerhead wanted to do is simply add audio support at reason, but they did that in style!

Why not try to get customers from the outside as well? something like that, nothing to lose sorta thing. any new customer is simply gain. Just another reason for customers to buy reason.

all this argument is just free commercial for them

[lusername]

better to have limited tools that are innovative, than to have innovative tools that are limited.

erm, struggling to see the difference between limited tools that are innovative and innovative tools that are limited. arent they both limited and innovative?

or is one innovative and limited?