New IK teaser

[debra1rlo]

here andrew... here's a mobile app with some real promise and ingenuity.

http://www.intermorphic.com/tools/mixtikl/index.html

"anything you buy from us will magically fit together"

I was going to give you a 6 but then you edited your post.

[Squids]

1.The patent thing: Groovemaker was the first application that allowed you to stack any loop content contained within over anything else. While there are loop programs out there, the amazing thing is that (while you may not do this), you can stack 8 drum loops, lead lines, etc on top of each other, and while it may be busy it ALL works.

I thought Ableton Live was the first to do this.

Groovemaker was based on Axe, a loop application from 1997 that was mostly Brazilian loop content. The broad genre version actually came in 1998, still a few years before anything like it. The thing about competing products is that they can make sure that everything fits time wise, but the cool thing about Groovemaker is that you can stack ANYTHING that we provide and it won't compete. It may sound busy, but it all fits together. Kinda neat.

It was way ahead of its time. I remember getting a demonstration of Groove Maker years ago and thinking how clever it was that you could mix anything with anything. I always wondered why nothing was done with it for years - and I also told the story of the time I heard from someone at Real World Studios that Gabriel went to the store and bought Groove Maker and loved it! So that too made me look at it differently. So, while Ableton Live and other loop tools have come along since and done more things such as time stretching, loop-based sequencing and full on DAW features... the idea of bringing Groove Maker back for a MULTI-TOUCH controller and at a price really anyone can easily afford I think makes a lot of sense. You can use it so much faster sliding your fingers across the pads in real time... I'm telling you, this multi-touch technology for music is only going to get bigger. It has a lot of potential! Groove Maker for the iPhone is in my opinion a great use of the platform.

[Vonbrucken]

2009 is such a great year !
First the guys at Propellerhead invent a DAW that can record !

Then the guys at IK Multimedia reinvent Hamerhead Rhythm Station
All this buzz just for this wow !


When will stop the hype around Iphone "music applications" ???

[fanfarecircuit]

I was going to give you a 6 but then you edited your post.

yeah... i figure it's not worth it to say it again. i guess i don't care too much, but i did want to reference the intermorphic product. that one does seem truly unique and "revolutionary" (whatever that means)

[fanfarecircuit]

I also told the story of the time I heard from someone at Real World Studios that Gabriel went to the store and bought Groove Maker and loved it! So that too made me look at it differently.

that is pure bologne. please link to a reference if you are going to make such claims.

or don't. i've gotten enough ik nonsense into my system for one day.

[zerocrossing]

I'm just pissed that it's not my virtual pizza oven. Now how am I going to generate my heat shimmer? WHO WILL DRIFT MY OSCS!?

But seriously folks, I think IK's only mistake was pushing this here. We're not the demographic. We're hard core. I'm sure this product will be great for someone starting out and may even eventually bridge the gap between personal computing device (wearable computing) and your home DAW.

I can't judge this product, because I've been doing music for 20 years now and I know that type of product isn't for me whether it's on an iPhone or a Cray. To counter Hink, to me the iPhone (and all smartphones) are amazing. When I bused or trained to work it was an awesome media player for tv and movies. Now I listen to music and almost all my mp3 collection is at my fingertips. I can stream Pandora too if I want to. When is NPR's Science Friday on? I have no idea, but it's there at any time for me via a podcast. What's the weather and traffic like? Thanks Google! I'll avoid 880 today! We're going to NYC next week, better pick up the Zagat app in case we're in a neighborhood and need a restaurant recommendation. Waiting at the dentist office? Why not play a game for a few or surf the posts on KVR. Maybe pop off an email to someone I haven't talked to in a while or make a retarded post on KVR.

But music... I have a few apps I bought because I thought they might be fun (Virsyn's iSyn and Jasuto) that sit gathering virtual dust. Are they not good? I don't even know, I haven't even really dug into them yet. I think it's because any time I'd really have to play with them in a serious manner I'd be near my PC and have a much better experience there.

But I still might get this app for my wife. I started showing her how to program beats when I still used hardware and she enjoyed it and I think for her a light music app like this could be fun. She doesn't want or care if she produces great art, but there's no crime in being a dabbler. I think if there was less of a stigma about being a dabbler in light music applications like this that more people would gain an appreciation for more "hand crafted" music done with pro gear. At the very least it's less of a time waste than many "casual" games and frankly, casual games have really been a boon to the game industry though many are loath to admit it.

[vespers75]

BTW, the iPhone is more like a tiny computer that also works as a phone, so enough of that "phones are for talking" nonesense.

Phones are for talking. BTW, its not called the iTinycomputer, now is it?

Yes, phones are for talking, cell phones are essentially specialized computers that also allow for talking, the iPhone, in particular, advances that concept by allowing that specialized computer to be a little less specialized, a little more general, and also be a development platform for other software. You can ignore that fact all you want...

No matter what anybody says and whatever marketing crap has spewed out of Apple HQ and seemingly lodged itself into everybodies cerebal cortex, the only thing the iPhone does that no other phone did before it is look prettier.

Everyone talks like the iPhone allows people for the first time in history to log onto the f-ing internet on an f-ing phone!!!!! Far from it.

[S.HUSH]

The thing about competing products is that they can make sure that everything fits time wise, but the cool thing about Groovemaker is that you can stack ANYTHING that we provide and it won't compete. It may sound busy, but it all fits together. Kinda neat.

All programs with ready made content do this. It's what they are made to do so people, who have no idea how to make their own grooves, can have fun remixing as opposed to creating the foundation of a loop/song etc.
It's like a video game. That's cool but there are those out there who can actually write and produce from scratch. They prefer to have the option to do so.

[DavidRadi2]

This will revolutionise music making as we know it

I'm getting sick of IK and their revolutions 2x times a year and in the end again again another guitar plugin, T-Racks version, or ROMpler.

Well and now something really revolutionary, stupid i-phone app!

For me will be revolutionary the day, they fix Sampletank or come up with something that will not be another ROMpler or Guitar Plug / maybe better said Guitar Plug Presets as the plug is still the same /.

So, untill the next big revolution in my musicmaking experience as I know it!!!

[Andrew Bach IK]

But seriously folks, I think IK's only mistake was pushing this here. We're not the demographic. We're hard core. I'm sure this product will be great for someone starting out and may even eventually bridge the gap between personal computing device (wearable computing) and your home DAW.

I will make your virtual pizza oven someday. It may not be IK though, but someday you may own your very own BachCo™ Virtual Pizza Bonanza 5000® with super ultra cheese topping options.

It is a tough thing, posting on here or not. I didn't start the thread, but I did tell people how much they would like it. I do use it, and I do consider myself hardcore. I am also from the generation though that started on Acid 1.0 and graduated to Logic and Pro Tools. I started on Turntables (and still use them) and graduated to my Fender Esquire and Les Paul Studio with P90's. I have been on both sides, and appreciate the gratification of both.

At the end of the day, we said it would be for everyone. And the thing is, IT IS for everyone. This is the kind of application that starts a kid making beats, who may graduate (like I did) to the world of serious production tools, growing the community and making it possible for companies like IK to continue to make tools like T-RackS and AmpliTube for the serious guys. It is also a tool for the hardcore among you to be able to sit down while waiting for the movie to start and sketch out ideas for your new projects. If you were looking for something for something that targets the more hardcore among you, don't worry, we have plenty more in store in the coming months.

As I said, download the free version and give it a try-

http://groovemaker.com/buy/

Cheers,

Drew

[Arglebargle]

Hey IK, how's that mousewheel support for Sampletank coming?

[Squids]

I also told the story of the time I heard from someone at Real World Studios that Gabriel went to the store and bought Groove Maker and loved it! So that too made me look at it differently.

that is pure bologne. please link to a reference if you are going to make such claims.

or don't. i've gotten enough ik nonsense into my system for one day.

I don't make these things up. There's plenty of visual proof that I do talk to techs and engineers at studios like that or the musicians themselves. This was a phone conversation so sorry there's no link to phone conversations. Despite the fact that I once toured opening up for Peter Gabriel and have talked to him about many things before, I actually didn't talk to him about Groove Maker but I did in fact talk to one of the technicians at Real World (someone who had a strange nick name that escapes me at the moment... starts with a "D"... Doogie or... Duckie or something like that) and I had the exact conversation as I said! I even said that I was surprised myself to hear that Gabriel was using it because it wasn't that long ago (maybe a few years ago) and I told the tech "If Peter likes that then he's really going to like SampleTank" and I referred him to the video I did about PSTS, Stretch and Loop Sync. Then according to the IK rep in UK Paul, they then picked up ALL of the IK stuff. If you don't believe me just ask Paul K in England about it. He knows even more than me about the rest of the story but I believe it was Paul who put them in touch with me because they had questions about sounds or something like that.

If you don't believe me then it's okay. It isn't like I expect you to become a fan all of a sudden. But I think most people know that I often have conversations like that with people in the music industry. I have to admit that in the 8 years I've been on KVR I haven't had anyone question whether my music industry stories are true. I guess I have shown enough "proof" that it is certainly likely. Believe what you want but publicly accusing me of lying is not right.

[bmanic]

Just remember, IK tends not to think like other companies. We don't like to do "Me To" products, we like to break ground when we do a new products. I think you all are going to be really shocked....

Yes.. we were shocked.

Seriously though, this kind of application would be very useful and such but the way it seems to be done, the completely and utterly dumbed down way of "just combine loops and become a musician!" is actually NOT helpful for kids and such who want to get into music making.

Talk about underestimating the potential audience.

I just hope we get something more like FL Studio or Ableton live on the iPhone that actually allows one to create the content from scratch and then combine it to loops and songs. Heck, the good ol' Fast Tracker 2 or Screamtracker 3 would have been more impressive on the iPhone than this.

Sorry IK but this is quite a fail, imho. Wish you good sales with it though so you don't go bust.

Cheers!
bManic

[fanfarecircuit]

Believe what you want but publicly accusing me of lying is not right.

why make a claim that you can't substantiate? don't blame me for asking you to reference something. put it into context. even if peter gabriel enjoyed the app, it has absolutely nothing to do with his music. it's a game, not a music making device. can you really seriously look at it differently because some big name might have had some fun with it for 15 minutes?

i'm sure peter gabriel has played super mario bros once or twice too... so what.

[mellotronaut]

Sorry IK but this is quite a fail, imho. Wish you good sales with it though so you don't go bust.


bManic

i can't stop laughing about all the comments here: it's not a fail. We have a 13 year old boy here, who has spent a lot of his holidays now with Garage Band. He doesn't know anything about theory and he can't play an instrument (yet), but now he gets interested in music making and he tries out strange combinations of loops. These easy apps aren't especially for us, but for the curious not yet musicians.

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