New IK teaser

[buscemi]

Is it over now that the initial hype has been counterbalanced with the hyperbole and theorizing on how IK has ruined music education and music in general with this app? IMO that's equally full of hot air - this, Guitar Hero, and the like aren't harming music in any way. If you love music, you'll pursue it. If you want to have fun and play games, you'll do that. Some even do both. Funny how that works.

[Squids]

OK, OK...

It's not for you. Move along...nothing to see here.

I don't even own an IPhone (I like my phones to do one thing, and do it well--although I'll admit it's getting harder and harder to resist...). So nothing for me here either.

However, the market has shown a huge appeal for these things, and IK is tapping into it. It's a BUSINESS, folks. If you want them to keep creating those esoteric emulations that allow you to faithfully recreate the second solo on the third track of Van Halen's fourth album (go ahead, google it), then you've GOT to let them have one for the masses every now and again.

I DO agree that, by and large, KVR is NOT that audience. Definitely a swing and a miss for trying to hype something like this here. And for all the anticipation, ESPECIALLY in light of the recent success of the World's Most Successful Group Buy Ever, I think it was an opportunity squandered.

But now that the curtain has been pulled back, let's all take a view and then move on.

Cheers
-B

The ever insightful Berfab! Haha. Yes, I think it is clear what the general overall opinion is about that. I was saying before it was announced that it wasn't planned around the TR Singles. No one had any idea how much of a big hit the TR Group Buy was going to be! That's a good thing and for those of us HERE on KVR this is our main interest of course... high end modeling effects and advanced virtual instruments. But, the timing of this announcement next to the awesomeness and pro engineering nature of the TR Singles GB... well, clearly if a "TR 1176 Single" was the announcement it couldn't have been MORE timely... who knew?

By the way, for the record, I never started a thread about it! I merely responded with a little teasing which you have to admit is fun. I EVEN tried to cushion your expectation by mentioning that it had NOTHING to do with TR! Was I right?

I don't defend the way it was hyped. I can see why it let KVRians in particular down. But as someone put earlier the reality is - whether it is admitted or not - there are a lot of people that like easy auto groove box type products AND iphone music apps. Is it a majority of KVR? Haha, obviously not. At least not the ones that speak up about it (probably some lurkers are thinking... hmmm, let me quietly sneak off to the iTunes store and get this thing! Shhhhh).

[Hink]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

wait until they start composing in cars while driving, honestly, with the reputation cell phones has with automobiles (and well earned) it could be a tragic thing for some. You can't count on people using common sense and all these iphone apps are playing with fire imo. I'm not saying "shame on you" so don't get me wrong, but it's naive to think it's all skittles and gumdrops.

Well, is anyone going to stop the thousands of apps from being made for the iphone because people might use them in the car while driving?

By the way, Groove Maker also has a GPS system that tells you where all of the cool clubs are in your area.

that's why I said all these iphone apps are playing with fire, people have shown a strong inclination to not acting responsibly with cell phones. Now the iphone will only make that problem worse, but it's not your fault. Well unless you're one of those people who drive around with a cell phone pressed to their ear

But remember not only am I not a cell phone person I'm not a phone person either

[fanfarecircuit]

But as someone put earlier the reality is - whether it is admitted or not - there are a lot of people that like easy auto groove box type products

yeah. it'd be great if labels would just stop signing them and putting out their regurgitated nonsense.

doesn't surprise me that ik would jump on the bandwagon to make a buck.

[elxsound]

Hey, I can say that if I had an iPhone or an iTouch, I would buy this along with other music apps. I probably would still have felt a bit let down by what was announced, but in no way is that anyone's fault. I just don't get that excited for these things, but love having them to play with when I'm bored.

I bought Korg's DS-10 Synthesizer for same reason. It's just fun sometimes.

[Squids]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

wait until they start composing in cars while driving, honestly, with the reputation cell phones has with automobiles (and well earned) it could be a tragic thing for some. You can't count on people using common sense and all these iphone apps are playing with fire imo. I'm not saying "shame on you" so don't get me wrong, but it's naive to think it's all skittles and gumdrops.

Well, is anyone going to stop the thousands of apps from being made for the iphone because people might use them in the car while driving?

By the way, Groove Maker also has a GPS system that tells you where all of the cool clubs are in your area.

that's why I said all these iphone apps are playing with fire, people have shown a strong inclination to not acting responsibly with cell phones. Now the iphone will only make that problem worse, but it's not your fault. Well unless you're one of those people who drive around with a cell phone pressed to their ear

But remember not only am I not a cell phone person I'm not a phone person either

You have a good point and what comes with the new gadgets comes new responsibility on how to use it. This of course has been a concern since the first car phones (I always think of that song from Steely Dan of Gaucho). There are all sorts of distractions in the car. Also DVD players too, even the GPS potentially could get someone's attention off the road. But we adapt.

Btw if you put the iphone up to your face in Florida the sweat makes it impossibel to hang up on the person you were talking to... so you have to be careful not to mutter "what a schmuck" after the conversation is over.

[Andrew Bach IK]

Giving more people a chance to express their creativity is never a bad thing.

wait until they start composing in cars while driving, honestly, with the reputation cell phones has with automobiles (and well earned) it could be a tragic thing for some. You can't count on people using common sense and all these iphone apps are playing with fire imo. I'm not saying "shame on you" so don't get me wrong, but it's naive to think it's all skittles and gumdrops.

Well, is anyone going to stop the thousands of apps from being made for the iphone because people might use them in the car while driving?

By the way, Groove Maker also has a GPS system that tells you where all of the cool clubs are in your area.

that's why I said all these iphone apps are playing with fire, people have shown a strong inclination to not acting responsibly with cell phones. Now the iphone will only make that problem worse, but it's not your fault. Well unless you're one of those people who drive around with a cell phone pressed to their ear

But remember not only am I not a cell phone person I'm not a phone person either

I really hope you know that the GPS thing was a joke.......much like the IK Virtual Pizza Oven.

[Hink]

Is it over now that the initial hype has been counterbalanced with the hyperbole and theorizing on how IK has ruined music education and music in general with this app? IMO that's equally full of hot air - this, Guitar Hero, and the like aren't harming music in any way. If you love music, you'll pursue it. If you want to have fun and play games, you'll do that. Some even do both. Funny how that works.

I agree with this a lot, the value of music comes from within.

[Squids]

Hey, I can say that if I had an iPhone or an iTouch, I would buy this along with other music apps. I probably would still have felt a bit let down by what was announced, but in no way is that anyone's fault. I just don't get that excited for these things, but love having them to play with when I'm bored.

I bought Korg's DS-10 Synthesizer for same reason. It's just fun sometimes.

I have one of those Yamaha CS01 as well. I am a gadget freak actually. I buy every little portable thing for some reason... it's fun. Groove Maker is fun and I have to admit I am an iPhone app addict. The ONLY problem is that you have to be careful not run down your battery messing around and then you miss phone calls. But someone showed me a cool battery pack... the cool thing about a popular product is that there are tons of accessories.

But, really, this multi-touch screen technology is freakin' cool. If it only did velocity then these little drum kit apps would be that much cooler (but I have them all anyway! haha... can't quite do the iMap playing on them though).

[blank/diod]

Heh... this is like listening to grumpy Mac fanboys when Apple announces a new iPod instead of some Mac Pro revision.

Personally I'm happy whenever a new product is released by a company whose products I'm a fan of, regardless of whether I'm part of the target demographic for this particular product or not. GrooveMaker was IK's first product, and the revenue from that product is part of the reason why we later got stuff like T-Racks and the SampleTank and AmpliTube series. If they can make good money on GrooveMaker again, then great... more revenue for IK = more development resources = more and better products in all areas. This is a great opportunity for IK to find new customers outside the host/plugin duck pond. It's all good even if it's not for you.

[soulata]

the guitar?

maybe i'm missing something, but why divert kids away from real instruments? it's not that hard to learn a few chords. kids might even come up with something original.

(in the immortal words of Leo Laporte) : ehh, the kids today !!!

Honestly, when I was in my teens (I'm 32 now) it was actually cool to play a guitar and be in a band, nowadays it's cooler to look cool and do ...erm ... i don't know exactly.

But I see my nephew growing up and losing interest in anything really quick.

"I wanna play guitar" "oh, it takes time to learn? forget it, I'll sing" ...

It's different now and well, maybe, a good time for iPhone loop player.


k

[soulata]

I'll put it into perspective with some simple facts. The level of "drop off" in instrumental tuition has reached truly frightening levels. According to Ofsted (the UK education inspectorate) around 25% of kids learn an instrument aged 12. By age 16, when it comes to taking Music as an "A' Level" subject, only 0.5% see it through. So of 50 children playing an instrument aged 12, wanting their quick fix instantaneous results - just ONE of the 50 gets to a good level before leaving school. I dare say that similar research has been conducted, showing similar results, elsewhere. Maybe not - perhaps UK is unique!

I'd guess it's the same here (I teach as well).

It's all instant gratification or nothing at all. And what's worse - we're becoming the same.

k

[mellotronaut]

make a poll on kvr, who really plays a 'real' instrument quite well! I think, a lot of peeps here aren't that skilled, but maybe they are good enineers, sound-designers or djs.
I play guitar, bass and keys more or less well, i'm not the hit in reading scores, but i can express my musical needs quite well anyway.
There are so many ways of making music or helping in music making.

it's been done and you're not exactly correct (not exactly wrong either), I think you're underestimating the amount of musicians here started playing before people had pcs. Add to that the number of people who either started playing as a result of computer music and those who came into computer music from a traditional instrument. However I'm not sure where you get off saying most people aren't that skilled, I think you better me be mighty damn good to back that up

you can't even read the words, you cite, sorry! I said "I think, a lot of people here aren't that skilled ... ", not "most people". (see above).

arrgghh it makes a difference. I also said, i play more or less well, which means, i can express, what i need, but i'm no virtuoso.

[mellotronaut]

" ... hurts my brain ... " was the point. Try to imagine, not everybody thinks like you!

m

Eh, if something hurts MY brain. How on earth is that RUDE? Damn it man. Grow some skin. US foreign politics hurts my brain to the core, so does Finnish taxation, silly iPhone applications and whatnot. That doesn't make it rude.

You seem to read way too much into what I write and take it all personally, so this is for you:

All I have ever said and will ever say is IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHOIMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHOIMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO

- bManic

'imo' would be better, because you seem to be everything, but not humble.
'all' is wrong: please re-read my post!

schneersz

m

[hibidy]

that's why I said all these iphone apps are playing with fire, people have shown a strong inclination to not acting responsibly with cell phones. Now the iphone will only make that problem worse, but it's not your fault. Well unless you're one of those people who drive around with a cell phone pressed to their ear

But remember not only am I not a cell phone person I'm not a phone person either

We had the number of text messaging tickets at over 12,000 in july alone !!

We have all the laws in place, nobody cares, they'll pay the 130 bucks as many times as they can The police don't care, because that is mo'money.

You can't walk down the street and not have people talking on those things......it's an embarrassment if you ask me.

Any ways, I made a post saying that I hope I wasn't disappointed, had a response back saying they guaranteed I wouldn't want to give it back. But I have never nor will never have an iphone, so I am indeed disappointed.