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guitarzan wrote:
susiwong wrote: Could you please post your experience with the Ampulator and the Blues Master ?
Would it be worth hunting one of them down ?
I didn't like the Ampulator at all...it had so much hype about it all over the net that I hung onto it quite a while but it never did anything for me...seemed super mushy most of the time with either a Mesa Boogie Studio pre or a SOHO QTR-1 (basically an improved version of the Kittyhawk Quattro) feeding it. I read somewhere that the Ampulator works best with more strident preamps, like the ADA MP1. Luckily, the hype continued and I nearly doubled my money when I sold it on eBay.

The BluesMaster was my favorite of the H&K line of half-rack rcording amps most of the time I owned all four but at the end I chose to only keep the BATT, which was intended for bass, but it is the only one of the bunch that really did have an all tube tone path. It sounded a lot like the BluesMaster (same tubes, 12ax7 and an el84) but less hyped, more versaitle with pedals and preamps, etc. used the same tubes in both, a military spec Phillips 12ax7 and a vintage Mullard el84. The BATT doesn't have the cabulator or whatever they call the H&K cab emulator, but I never cared for it anyway. With the Mullard installed they both do a chimey "clean" best, and they really don't do the gooey compressed poweramp thing much, but I remember reading of people who found that they could get a lot of poweramp grind with some brand of el84's.
monkeymank wrote:I've read about people going nuts over the nebula cab sim, if only it was more available and easier to use. Plus from what I've read nebula is a latency hound so it would be more for mixing, I like the feeling as do many guitar players.
If you read through the Nebula Free programs! thread at the guitarampmodeling.com forums you will find links to some Nebula speaker cab files that work with Nebula 3 Free. I think they show up in Nebula as "AE" or something odd like that. I thought they a better feel and more open tone than static IRs, but I think if Nebula can sample compression characteristics (I know it's been planned as a feature for some time) then that technique should be applied to cab sampling to get the feel part totally.
Hey guitarzan,
thanks so much, that helps big time.
Your descriptions make perfect sense to me, we seem to share a few quality criteria. :)
So I finally got the Ampulator off the list.
Looks like I'll have to check Nebula again, reluctantly, as all about it felt so awkward last time. But whatever gets the job done ... :shrug:

But, more than slightly offtopic :oops: , as some of you guys seem to use hardware too:
I've finally found the stomp delay of my dreams, the new TC Nova Repeater (not the older Nova Delay).
It covers all of the standard delay ground gracefully (well, maybe not the ducking), feels really stage proof and the price is right, power adapter included, too.
What makes it special though is the fact that it accepts line level, making it the only stomp delay I know that works in a tube amp FX loop, i.e. post preamp distortion.
And it can do a few neat little tricks, audio tapping and bypass spillover for example.
Check out some vids:

Offtopic off.
Ymmv,
susiwong

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susiwong wrote:I've finally found the stomp delay of my dreams, the new TC Nova Repeater (not the older Nova Delay).
The spillover, line level input, and audio tap tempo are ridiculously cool but I've got to say that the actual delay sound is a bit too static for me. The Carbon Copy sounds closer to the Moog delay than any of the other reasonably priced delays (assuming we all agree that the Moog delay isn't reasonably priced ;)) and I still prefer my dirty, fizzy no-name Chinese 1100ms analog delay over everything, including my vintage Ibanez (though that's not hard, the Ibanez is severely overrated).

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Uncle E wrote:
susiwong wrote:I've finally found the stomp delay of my dreams, the new TC Nova Repeater (not the older Nova Delay).
The spillover, line level input, and audio tap tempo are ridiculously cool but I've got to say that the actual delay sound is a bit too static for me. The Carbon Copy sounds closer to the Moog delay than any of the other reasonably priced delays (assuming we all agree that the Moog delay isn't reasonably priced ;)) and I still prefer my dirty, fizzy no-name Chinese 1100ms analog delay over everything, including my vintage Ibanez (though that's not hard, the Ibanez is severely overrated).
Agreed about the slightly static thing, but for my live applications the useability features far outweigh that little drawback. I simply need to have the delay post preamp post volume pedal, gone are the days when I always had to carry a 19" box just for that simple ca 400ms, 4 or 5 repeats lead delay.
For recording I'm addicted to PSP42 and the Cooper anyway.
Ymmv,
susiwong

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Alright, so I'm happy with TH1. I just threw this riff together because I was testing my drum kit: http://www.joshpollard.com/music/drum_test.mp3

I also got to try out a couple of the T-Racks plugs with this. I usually use Elephant and Curve EQ at the end but I used the Tracks 3 Brickwall limiter and their Lin Phase EQ.

This is TH1's "modern" amp on the 3rd channel set to modern. I use the mesa cab from recabinet for an impulse. I definitely like the sound I'm getting with this.

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Good guitar sound imho, and well played. :tu:
TH-1 does a fine job here, too, for completely different tones.
It really seems to be the best allrounder atm, while still leaving plenty of room for improvement.
Btw, not sure what you're going for, but personally I'd reduce the ringing of the toms a bit, especially considering that you'll probably add other instruments and vocals to the already dense mix.
But then, I'm no expert for your style. :shrug:
Ymmv,
susiwong

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monkeymanx wrote:Alright, so I'm happy with TH1. I just threw this riff together because I was testing my drum kit: http://www.joshpollard.com/music/drum_test.mp3

I also got to try out a couple of the T-Racks plugs with this. I usually use Elephant and Curve EQ at the end but I used the Tracks 3 Brickwall limiter and their Lin Phase EQ.

This is TH1's "modern" amp on the 3rd channel set to modern. I use the mesa cab from recabinet for an impulse. I definitely like the sound I'm getting with this.
Hey, great tone.

Which recabinet impulse did you use there? They give them funny names... ;)

Thanks a lot,

- Paul

P.S. I'm curious to hear it without the T-racks stuff...

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i tried the cab impulses in th1-they seem to add a bit of latency tho, anyone know how much? (seems like maybe 30'ish ms)

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I don't think they add any latency or nothing noticeable. 30ms would definitely be noticeable. The cab impulse I used on this was the "ghandi" edge grill i5 6L6.

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shanecgriffo wrote:i tried the cab impulses in th1-they seem to add a bit of latency tho, anyone know how much? (seems like maybe 30'ish ms)
My old clunker hasn't experienced any latency that I noticed. And I pretty much only use the IR cabinet. I'd notice 30ms :wink:
Intel Core i7 8700K, 16gb, Windows 10 Pro, Focusrite Scarlet 6i6

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hmm , must have just been my ears last night (re/cabinet latency)..
hey, also i wonder can anyone duplicate this bug/crash i'm having in TH1
Its basically whenever i drag an effect from elsewhere to the start of the chain (next to the guitar)... crash!!
(in the top window)
anyone else have this?

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I add TH1 to the bass guitar. I was using POD farm for it. I used the Overloud Custom on the clean channel. Sounds pretty cool. It would be awesome if they included one bass style amp in there.

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monkeymanx wrote:I add TH1 to the bass guitar. I was using POD farm for it. I used the Overloud Custom on the clean channel. Sounds pretty cool. It would be awesome if they included one bass style amp in there.
there is a fender bassman there i think, a bass amp taken over by guitarists in the 60's if i am correct.

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Yea, but there is no gain control on it if you want a real clean bass sound.

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