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leighbeynon wrote: i just wanted to get an idea of what chords would work with the vocal i have,
It depends on what genre you're working in. Some are much more tolerant of weird chords than others.

Start with using 3 chords: if you're in Eb those are Eb, Ab, Bb. It will sound really boring, but there are thousands of songs that don't use more than this.

Then start throwing in more chords. For instance, your Ab chord has the C-Eb interval. If your melody moves between those notes (for instance, you're singing c-d-eb) then try using a Cm chord instead of Ab. Likewise, try substituting Gm for Bb if your melody goes bb-c-d or something like that.

Use chords that are just outside the scale: if your melody uses d and f, which you would normally put a Bb under, use a Dm, which is foreign because it has the a note which is not in the scale.

Go further outside the scale: if your Eb piece moves to a Gm chord, see if you can sneak in the D7, which is quite a bit outside your scale, but is a logical way to get to G (major or minor).

Go way outside the scale. Do you know that song "somewhere over the rainbow"? I have a transcription of how Dave Brubeck plays it, which starts Eb - Am5b - D7 5+ - G7 5+. That's wild!

Anyway, learn what chords are appropriate for the key you're in, and then see how far you can get away from them. One of my theory teachers once said "You're allowed one sideways jump [that would be the Am5b in the above example] and then you need to follow the cycle of fifths for a while [D-G-C above]". That's not a bad guideline. It's also pretty jazzy, which may not be what you're going for.

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I listened to your MIDI file. Honestly, this melody has problems. First of all, you aren't playing in rhythm. You should record with the metronome clicking. If your rhythm is still off, you can edit the notes in your sequencer manually or quantize them. Next, you really aren't playing in any key. I think you are mostly in F major pentatonic/D minor pentatonic, but it sounds like free jazz. I think most vocalists would find this melody difficult to sing. Lastly, you might want to learn about the statement and answer method when coming up with melodic lines. Less is more. Watch this YouTube tutorial to see and hear what I'm talking about:

Here is my attempt to harmonize it. Since you seem to be a beginner pianist, I tried to keep the harmonies simple. Hope you can read my chord chart below. Each / equals one beat, roughly. One chord, F/C, is a slash chord. In other words, the slash there does not mean one beat of F; the chord is an F major triad over a C in the bass. Your melody is 16 bars so I am notating it in 4 bar fragments.

Dm / A7 / Dm // F/C // Gm // F/C // Gm / C6 / F // Gm //
Dm //// // Eb / Dm /// Gm / C6 / F ////
F //// // E / Eb / D7(#9) //// F/C ////
F //// //// Dm //// Ab / F / Ab / Dm /

It would have been helpful to know what style of music you had in mind for this melody. I hope this helps you get where want to go.

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Keep in mind that people who have grown up listening to western music throw a few extra notes into melodies that might not be expected by someone who is looking at common major and minor scales. You can throw in a couple blue notes into any scale without surprising a listener. And there are some very common chord substitutions that bring in other notes (flat vii, for example).

So the job of figuring out what key you're in from a melody is a bit more open ended than you may expect. And having a melody that's 100% in a key can be boring, especially if it doesn't use the notes that come in from common substitute chords and blue notes.

Rock fans, in particular, are used to guitar music played by players who learned that certain chords "go with other chords" and therefore freely transitioned from key to key without even knowing it. As the years went by, more and more chords became allowable. The Beatles broke some harmonic rules, Nirvana broke more, etc.

Re: "Statement and Answer." Might have more luck looking up "call and response."
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thanks very much for the chords and the explanation,
the style is house music, sorry i should have said, and its arond 127bpm

ill give these chords a whirl and see how it sounds
really appreciate the help on this
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psenior wrote:I listened to your MIDI file. Honestly, this melody has problems. First of all, you aren't playing in rhythm. You should record with the metronome clicking. If your rhythm is still off, you can edit the notes in your sequencer manually or quantize them. Next, you really aren't playing in any key. I think you are mostly in F major pentatonic/D minor pentatonic, but it sounds like free jazz. I think most vocalists would find this melody difficult to sing. Lastly, you might want to learn about the statement and answer method when coming up with melodic lines. Less is more. Watch this YouTube tutorial to see and hear what I'm talking about:

Here is my attempt to harmonize it. Since you seem to be a beginner pianist, I tried to keep the harmonies simple. Hope you can read my chord chart below. Each / equals one beat, roughly. One chord, F/C, is a slash chord. In other words, the slash there does not mean one beat of F; the chord is an F major triad over a C in the bass. Your melody is 16 bars so I am notating it in 4 bar fragments.

Dm / A7 / Dm // F/C // Gm // F/C // Gm / C6 / F // Gm //
Dm //// // Eb / Dm /// Gm / C6 / F ////
F //// // E / Eb / D7(#9) //// F/C ////
F //// //// Dm //// Ab / F / Ab / Dm /

It would have been helpful to know what style of music you had in mind for this melody. I hope this helps you get where want to go.
Agreed. Just a little add to pseniors reply: Creating a memorable melody is based on the pitch values and how they're combined with the rhythmic values.

I think that it would be easier if you tried sticking to one scale that you definitely know. Take the C-major for example. If you just stick with it during the whole melody, and create some rhythmic patterns that repeat themselves, you've just made a melody that is so much more easily remembered. And, you won't have to struggle to figure out what scale you're in.

Sure, this is me trying to fit theory into a matchbox, but I don't feel like sitting here all night and write a theory book :hihi:

I guess all I wanted to add is: Take it slow in the beginning. Don't rush this thing. Just take what you have right now and try to create something that you actually like yourself.

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since it sounds like you guys think its jazz and not really in any key,
im wondering if i extracted the right notes from melodyne from the vocal,

alot of notes were kind on between 2 notes and not bang on,
i should have just posted the vocal and beats
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hey guys,

I use chase charts to decide what chords to play. just like there are scales for notes..i.e. C D E F G A B >> C major

There are chord scales and they are called chase charts.

for Eb the chords are:
Eb - I
Fm - II
Gm - III
Ab - IV
Bb - V
Cm - VI
DAug - VII



Links:
info on chase charts >>http://howmusicreallyworks.com/Pages_Chapter_6/6 _8.html

you can find the chord scales here >>>http://www.blackbeltguitar.com/
just search for "Harmonic Scale Chords for All Major Keys"

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