Isone Pro

[shanecgriffo]

I'm a bit confused by the idea of plugins that try to make listening on headphones more like listening to speakers in a room. I guess the premise is that listening through headphones is not an ideal way to mix. But what I don't really get is if I am mixing on headphones, using a speaker emu plugin, will it sound best only on speakers? And does this then imply that I should enable the plugin during mix down to get a better mix for headphones, or if I am mixing for headphones then I'd be better off not using a speaker emu plugin at all.

Plus, if I am mixing on speakers for use mainly on headphones, what then?

well for me, being limited to mostly having to work with headphones , when i do get to work at all (1 year old bub here! ) these sorts of things (isone, redline monitor) make it a bit more pleasant on the ears and seem reasonably workable, mixing wise so i can get most my work done and then finally tweak if needed when i get to fire up the speakers.
- It might be 'the new thing' a separate headphone version for your 'fans' (do any of us have many? ) otherwise i'm not sure if its a good idea or not to print the final mix with these sort of things left on.

[todd_r]

I tried the laptop preset on my laptop and had to take my headphones off to double check I hadn't just pulled the cable out

[morelia]

well for me, being limited to mostly having to work with headphones , when i do get to work at all (1 year old bub here! ) these sorts of things (isone, redline monitor) make it a bit more pleasant on the ears and seem reasonably workable, mixing wise so i can get most my work done and then finally tweak if needed when i get to fire up the speakers.
- It might be 'the new thing' a separate headphone version for your 'fans' (do any of us have many? ) otherwise i'm not sure if its a good idea or not to print the final mix with these sort of things left on.

19 mth old here so a similar story, but I rarely get the chance to use speakers because I mostly get the chance to mix and record at night. I should probably just do a couple of mixes and listen to decide on the best outcome, but without doing that, it seems the sound is altered so much by these plugins, I just wonder how the outcome is supposed to be improved. I guess I'm just trying to get my head around how changing the sound (including the perceived listening environment) is going to improve the sound. Especially since I will want it to sound good on speakers and headphones. I get the feeling when I render with the effect off, it will sound less than spectacular on the headphones.

[shanecgriffo]

I get the feeling when I render with the effect off, it will sound less than spectacular on the headphones.

interesting point.. just have to try a mix or two and see i guess.
i see your point-maybe if you get used to hearing it with the effects on it will sound a bit crappy without it.
theres so many listening options now, its hard work mixing!
also i found it best to work with a lot of settings pretty low in isone.
so it doesnt sound too altered and will hopefully translate to decent mixes at the end.

[KungKrille]

well for me, being limited to mostly having to work with headphones , when i do get to work at all (1 year old bub here! ) these sorts of things (isone, redline monitor) make it a bit more pleasant on the ears and seem reasonably workable, mixing wise so i can get most my work done and then finally tweak if needed when i get to fire up the speakers.
- It might be 'the new thing' a separate headphone version for your 'fans' (do any of us have many? ) otherwise i'm not sure if its a good idea or not to print the final mix with these sort of things left on.

19 mth old here so a similar story, but I rarely get the chance to use speakers because I mostly get the chance to mix and record at night. I should probably just do a couple of mixes and listen to decide on the best outcome, but without doing that, it seems the sound is altered so much by these plugins, I just wonder how the outcome is supposed to be improved. I guess I'm just trying to get my head around how changing the sound (including the perceived listening environment) is going to improve the sound. Especially since I will want it to sound good on speakers and headphones. I get the feeling when I render with the effect off, it will sound less than spectacular on the headphones.

I'm not sure what you mean - do you render the track with Isone on? The plugin is a room simulator and is only used during the mixing. When you are ready to do either final adjustments with real speakers or render you turn it off.

You could use Isone for creative stuff ofc

[shanecgriffo]

yes, i know it is meant to be turned off to render/mixdown
was just pondering "for headphones" mix and i think morelia was just worried that you might get too used to the sound of it so when it comes time to render without it it might sound subjectively crappier on headphones (i think thats what he meant)

[eduardo_b]

What's wrong with simple silence?

You must have missed my post on the previous page:

I'm someone who hates the sound dropping out during demos. HATE it. I'll take a beep any day before that. Even white noise. But a drop out creates a "something's wrong" response in me that I can't get past. Ever.

I suppose a gentle female voice whispering "buy the plug you sodding moron" might be okay, but never silence. Never.

So, as long as your single opinion is more important that differing opinions from several others, everything's peachy?

One opinion among many, obviously. Making note of the fact that basically no form of demo intrusion is liked by all or disliked by all. In reality, I spend so little time with demos that it doesn't really matter to me nearly as much as my remarks might make it seem.

[eduardo_b]

You must have missed my post on the previous page.

No.

I just didn't care.

That's two of us.

[jmh]

In reality, I spend so little time with demos that it doesn't really matter to me nearly as much as my remarks might make it seem.

again.

I find it funny though that you're in every thread that's about cheap plugins. You do know that it's not compulsory to participate in all of them

[macmurphy]

I can assure you that if you get your mix sounding right with headphones/Isone on and checking it through monitors/Isone off, the end result will sound right through both.
After reading some of this discussion i just rechecked a mix i did with Isone yesterday through headphones and it sounds fine.

[eduardo_b]

In reality, I spend so little time with demos that it doesn't really matter to me nearly as much as my remarks might make it seem.

again.

I find it funny though that you're in every thread that's about cheap plugins. You do know that it's not compulsory to participate in all of them

I prefer to call them reasonably priced.

I am convinced that unless the costs for bandwidth and support are much higher than I think they are, many plug-ins are simply overpriced. Not libraries, mind you...just plain old VSTi and VST software. So I am drawn to these threads about plugs that are good or even excellent value for money -- even more so for those that are given freely by their developers.

Glad to know someone is keeping track of where I am.

[eduardo_b]

I find it funny though that you're in every thread that's about cheap plugins. You do know that it's not compulsory to participate in all of them

At least I'm not in threads with cat photos.

[tropicalontour]

When I heard about this plug in I was very interested in trying it out, but having read this thread (and laughed while doing so) I'm *almost* too scared to get into the water and download it. Yes, I'm an old fart too and I have to be careful not to damage the wreckage of my delicate audio sense any more than it already has been by years of lead guitar abuse, if I want my mixes to sound anything like acceptable to younger people that can still hear properly, so the thought of anything loud being cranked into my poor little ears while trapped inside my headphones fills me with fear, but I think the developer has done the right thing and listened to your feedback and come up with a good compromise.

In defence of developers and their obsession with copy protection, if nobody stole anything, there would be no need for any copy protections. That bears some thinking about, I think (or maybe I'm just being some old Utopian hippie).

The perfect copy protection AND sales tool might be to replace the white noise with the sound of an overly excited porn starlet close to sexual climax. Who wouldn't buy it? Well maybe lots of people. And anyway, there would probably have to be an option to turn the porn starlet back ON (no pun intended) in the full version. So that's a bad idea, right?

But seriously folks, this thing could be a godsend. Headphone mixing is a necessary evil for many of us and getting a good sound or even some method of comparison for 20 Euro is the bargain of the century, surely.

Some of you guys need to relax a little more

[jmh]

Glad to know someone is keeping track of where I am.

We have to stop meeting like this

[thecontrolcentre]

At least I'm not in threads with cat photos.

My cat loves Isone Pro ...