Analog or digital ?

[living sounds]

Still almost how everyone in the industry works???????

got any proof of this at all??????

Deadmau5 maybe, but your wrong on Prydz, its been said in interviews and from comments from people who work with him that he doesnt use hardware.

That stuff really annoys me. Dont make out to people that if they want to make tracks like Deadmau5 and Prydz that need to use hardware!!! Im sorry if thats what youve been led to believe but i think you may have fallen for the marketing/hype

Just because you cant get that sound with software doesnt mean other people cant.....

I wouldn't believe a word in any of those interviews. Maybe the production is all ITB. But then it's mixed and mastered someplace else etc. Or it's BS alltogether. You see, that's part of the artist's marketing, to make every kid out there believe they can get the same sound with just their laptop, too.
Sweden is littered with studios full of high quality gear, and these guys have the money for it. The mixes really bear most of the hallmarks of quality outboard and even console mixing.

I actually believe that Cosma's "Simplicity" was made totally ITB from the sound. And that's great music. Far more inventive than any of those current "progressive" electronic musicians, which mostly rely on the sound.

[WMP]

EW Wrote

could go on and on pointing out the inconsistencies and fallacies in your posts, but I won't bother; I've got better ways to use my time.

With 8777 posts at this point I'm wondering you have any time free?

[Lotuzia]

If you have NEVER really used... and I mean used for a week longf session getting to know the kit....if you have never used great analog kit then you won't miss it, and you won't know what the very rare few of us are going on about on this forum.

Say what? I've owned a lot of the great analogs you're talking about at one time or another over the last twenty five years, and used them extensively. Can I hear a difference? Sometimes I might hear a little with a certain mixer/amp/speaker config; but that's more due to the other hardware coloring the signal. Will I be able to tell once it's been mastered at 44.1/16 bit for CD? Highly unlikely. Is anybody else going to give a flying f**k what I used? No!

@ living sounds- I challenged you a year ago to post something using a state of the art for the time Digidesign interface from the early '90s vs a SB from the current era for input and demonstrate that the sound's as markedly superior as you claimed... I'm still waiting

ew

With all ..... due respect Eric

Did you listen to the audio clips that JP8 ULed, wich were very well made, -ie long enough and with fast movements- and wich initiated this thread ?

Many people, included myself , were perfectly able to distinguish between the two synths, and the emul from the ancester. And afaik there was no special mixer/amp/speaker involved as the clips were made and heard in the same system.

And I'm also confident that in the end, if you include the synths in the same track, there will be some differences, because well, they just ....... are different

Not saying here that one is superior, or inferior, to the other.

Just different, like a Gibson can be from a Fender, or a Bosendorfer from a Steinway.

And to Eduardo_b : Would you trust me either ?

well,

only my 0.002 I'm afraid

LtZ

[eduardo_b]

And I'm also confident that in the end, if you include the synths in the same track, there will be some differences, because well, they just ....... are different

That's what I think it comes down to. Is the difference a problem, issue, impediment to the music...particularly given that the listener, unlike the musician, will not know, not care either way.

And to Eduardo_b : Would you trust me either ?

Sure...unless you started to go fanboi on me about analogue vs digital.

[pdxindy]

With all ..... due respect Eric

Did you listen to the audio clips that JP8 ULed, wich were very well made, -ie long enough and with fast movements- and wich initiated this thread ?

Many people, included myself , were perfectly able to distinguish between the two synths, and the emul from the ancester. And afaik there was no special mixer/amp/speaker involved as the clips were made and heard in the same system.

That synth squad demo was just a QUICK attempt to match an existing mp3. That they are different sounding says nothing except that Andy is impressive to get that close and put so little time into it.

[todd_r]

That synth squad demo was just a QUICK attempt to match an existing mp3. That they are different sounding says nothing except that Andy is impressive to get that close and put so little time into it.

The point wasn't whether they sounded exactly the same or not, but that it was easy to pick out which was ananlogue and which was digital, to me this means there is still a gap in quality between analogue and digital. I'm not an analogue zealot, and I wish this wasn't the case as I really don't have the room at the moment for anything much more than a laptop.

But, just listening to the demo's of the d-cam stuff this it sounds like they are some of the most convincingly analogue digital synths yet, indeed I think think that the challenge was only easy because there was something to directly compare it to, if it ws just the d-cam clip on its own, and the question was "digital or analogue?" the answer would have been a lot harder, indeed if I'd been told that the d-cam clip was a newer analoge, like some of the Dave Smith stuff I would have happily beleived it.

[Mans]

I wouldn't believe a word in any of those interviews. Maybe the production is all ITB. But then it's mixed and mastered someplace else etc. Or it's BS alltogether. You see, that's part of the artist's marketing, to make every kid out there believe they can get the same sound with just their laptop, too.
Sweden is littered with studios full of high quality gear, and these guys have the money for it. The mixes really bear most of the hallmarks of quality outboard and even console mixing.

Ah yes the 'they are lying' argument that eventually always pops up in these sort of threads. Steve Angello is seen on video doing everything completely in Logic and stating on record that the mastering of the track is essentially taken care off from the beginning by mixing straight into a set of plugs set up on the master. Laidback Luke has stated in his own forum that he works the same way except in fruity loops *jaws drop*.

Now of course these are the artists that you don't like the sound of and every artist that you do like the sound of that states something similar, is lying and must be using outboard gear.

Perception is the greatest filter.

[themossinator]

Still almost how everyone in the industry works???????

got any proof of this at all??????

Deadmau5 maybe, but your wrong on Prydz, its been said in interviews and from comments from people who work with him that he doesnt use hardware.

That stuff really annoys me. Dont make out to people that if they want to make tracks like Deadmau5 and Prydz that need to use hardware!!! Im sorry if thats what youve been led to believe but i think you may have fallen for the marketing/hype

Just because you cant get that sound with software doesnt mean other people cant.....

I wouldn't believe a word in any of those interviews. Maybe the production is all ITB. But then it's mixed and mastered someplace else etc. Or it's BS alltogether. You see, that's part of the artist's marketing, to make every kid out there believe they can get the same sound with just their laptop, too.
Sweden is littered with studios full of high quality gear, and these guys have the money for it. The mixes really bear most of the hallmarks of quality outboard and even console mixing.

I actually believe that Cosma's "Simplicity" was made totally ITB from the sound. And that's great music. Far more inventive than any of those current "progressive" electronic musicians, which mostly rely on the sound.

and why would they try to make kids believe they can get that sound with software if they couldnt?........to stop them copying them??

You refuse to believe - nothing more to be said

[whyterabbyt]

With 8777 posts at this point I'm wondering you have any time free?

How much time do you think it takes to make two whole posts more than you?

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[living sounds]

Ah yes the 'they are lying' argument that eventually always pops up in these sort of threads. Steve Angello is seen on video doing everything completely in Logic and stating on record that the mastering of the track is essentially taken care off from the beginning by mixing straight into a set of plugs set up on the master. Laidback Luke has stated in his own forum that he works the same way except in fruity loops *jaws drop*.

Now of course these are the artists that you don't like the sound of and every artist that you do like the sound of that states something similar, is lying and must be using outboard gear.

Perception is the greatest filter.

i just listened to the Angello/Laidback Luke track "Be". That one sounds ITB. Totally. I can also totally believe it was made in less than 4 hours. Same goes for that "Show me Love" remix on youtube.

But "Pjanoo"? No f**king way.

And here Angello is obviously in a real studio:


The compressed drums from the mains sound like they're going through outboard.

It's got nothing to do with "liking the sound of the artist". I think Deadmau5, for instance, is totally boring from a music perspective. Doesn't hold a candle to classic stuff from, say, Emmanuel Top. But the sound is great.

[whyterabbyt]

You see, that's part of the artist's marketing, to make every kid out there believe they can get the same sound with just their laptop, too.

and exactly why would that be, then? because they get such a big cut from whats probably the smallest sector of the audio equipment market? dont make me laugh.

[CypherOne]

27 pages and I still don't give a f**k...


[edit] yeah I know, thanks for popping in...[edit/]

[djanthonyw]

Sorry, but all you need to do is watch the Future Music interviews and you'll see that just about everyone is working all in the box... even if they have hardware sitting in a rack right beside them.

Artists like Prydz don't need to lie about what they use, infact they don't even need to say what they use so why would they give out false information? Prydz does indeed use Logic + the Korg Legacy software exclusively.

The Korg software is hardware quality so I don't undestand why that's so hard to believe. I'm very tempted to purchase it again, but everyone knows how I feel about gongles.

[Urs]

And here Angello is obviously in a real studio:

"Real" as opposed to "virtual" or as opposed to "inferior"?

[living sounds]

Sorry, but all you need to do is watch the Future Music interviews and you'll see that just about everyone is working all in the box... even if they have hardware sitting in a rack right beside them.

Artists like Prydz don't need to lie about what they use, infact they don't even need to say what they use so why would they give out false information? Prydz does indeed use Logic + the Korg Legacy software exclusively.

I've just got to listen to the music to know that's not the case. Why believe an interview when you've got the expertise to tell yourself?