KVR Audio

H.Noury · Post by **H.Noury** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:47 pm

I wrote recently to Apple to ask them to include the MIDI possibilities of the MIDI part of Core Audio into the iPhone or the iPod Touch. They just answerd to me to read press informations...

I love some musical softwares like Noise IO or Beat Maker on this pocket computer, but the capabilities of the iPhone are suffisant to create a real music workstation like were the Korg M1 or the Roland W30 in the 80's, and maybe much more : the processor is much powerfull, and the memory is more than 16 000 times stronger!!!

If the programmers that we are could just, like it is possible with Java or Core Audio for Mac, just import the MIDI sequencer and call the method "sequencer.play()" to program efficient musical work-stations on iPhone, we could have soon a vast choice of musical complete workstations on this computer. Just associate a sample rate to a MIDI note and - yet - it will sound!!

So, I invite everyone here to write as I did to Apple to ask them to integrate the possibilities of the MIDI part of Audio Core into the iPhone or iPod Touch OS.

I WANT IT!!

Am I wrong??

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:18 pm

I think it's a good idea, I would want it in the iPod rather than the phone, I'm not really interested in having a two year commitment to AT&T, so iPhone isn't it for me.

Is it possible as is for someone third party to write an app for iPhone to accomplish this?

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:09 am

jancivil wrote:I think it's a good idea, I would want it in the iPod rather than the phone, I'm not really interested in having a two year commitment to AT&T, so iPhone isn't it for me.

Is it possible as is for someone third party to write an app for iPhone to accomplish this?

It probably is possible, but third-party distribution may be against Apple's SDK Licensing conditions

skold · Post by **skold** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:24 am

http://www.itouchmidi.com/

H.Noury · Post by **H.Noury** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:05 pm

Thanks for the link, skold, but the page is this of a software compagny isn't it?

What I want is the original class into the OS to program with XCode a music-workstation. Let's ask that to Apple, like this many programers will propose this such thing quicly.

WhiteNoise · Post by **WhiteNoise** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:12 am

MIDI can be added to apps via that DSMI library pretty easily.

http://dsmi.tobw.net/

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:17 am

seriously, not to be an ass, but:
what the heck is all the i phone music app fuss about at all?
i still fail to get this, and i'm a technic lover ...
i mean, now, finally we're able to afford big, multiple monitors,
everything that wasn't possible just 5 years ago is easy as cake,
and suddenly everyone is happy to be able to sequence/create music
on a 10x7 screen on a cellphone?????? wtf??? back to the stone age???
i first thought, when the first apps were out, that this is a nice
joke, a proove of concept, not more, but it seems that a lot of
companies jump on that i phone wagon as if it would be the
thing for the future... i just don't get this ...

why woud i ever want to even sketch a song on a !cellphone!, now that
i'm able to build up a high end studio with such few money/such few
space needed, in no time ...???

i'd really wish the dev's to go back to quality studio products rather
than to create "throw away kiddie-software" for an i phone ...

gustavokch · Post by **gustavokch** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:19 am

brok landers wrote:seriously, not to be an ass, but:
what the heck is all the i phone music app fuss about at all?
i still fail to get this, and i'm a technic lover ...
i mean, now, finally we're able to afford big, multiple monitors,
everything that wasn't possible just 5 years ago is easy as cake,
and suddenly everyone is happy to be able to sequence/create music
on a 10x7 screen on a cellphone?????? wtf???
i first thought, when the first apps were out, that this is a nice
joke, but it seems that a lot of companies jump on that i phone wagon
as if it would be the thing for the future...
i just don't get this ...

why woud i ever want to even sketch a song on a !cellphone!, now that
i'm able to build up a high end studio with such few money/such few
space needed, in no time ...???

i'd really wish the dev's to go back to quality studio products rather
than to create "throw away kiddie-software" for an i phone ...

I might be wrong, but I think the OP is reffering to use the iPhone as a MIDI controller, not as a music creating device.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:20 am

doesn't make it better if you ask me ...

it's still too small to take it any serious ... of course imo ...

WhiteNoise · Post by **WhiteNoise** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:38 am

As a midi controller - people are willing to pay 2 grand for a multitouch Lemur interface. You can get a multitouch iPhone or iPod Touch with similar apps for 200$. I'd say it's a pretty good deal.

People are already making music on the gameboy, PSP, DS, etc. The iPhone is just an extension of that. These apps are more about live performance, fun, creativity and portability, not necessarily sound quality. I don't think anyone is going to take their iPhone apps head to head against a desktop synth - they just can't compete. Though I will say that the iPhone is atleast as powerful as some hardware units out there which cost a lot more. And in a lot of cases the interface is easier to use.

There's plenty of musicians who purposely use crappy old gear, video game systems or gear with limitations - sometimes limitations can be inspiring. It also keeps you from spending hours of time deciding what plugins to use since your choices are made for you. Anyway it's a matter of taste I guess.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:43 am

brok landers wrote:seriously, not to be an ass, but:
what the heck is all the i phone music app fuss about at all?
i still fail to get this, and i'm a technic lover ...
i mean, now, finally we're able to afford big, multiple monitors,
everything that wasn't possible just 5 years ago is easy as cake,
and suddenly everyone is happy to be able to sequence/create music
on a 10x7 screen on a cellphone?????? wtf??? back to the stone age???
i first thought, when the first apps were out, that this is a nice
joke, a proove of concept, not more, but it seems that a lot of
companies jump on that i phone wagon as if it would be the
thing for the future... i just don't get this ...

why woud i ever want to even sketch a song on a !cellphone!, now that
i'm able to build up a high end studio with such few money/such few
space needed, in no time ...???

i'd really wish the dev's to go back to quality studio products rather
than to create "throw away kiddie-software" for an i phone ...

Its marketing. My 4 year old Palm T5 PDA has a 3 inch colour touch screen, it plays DIVX movies and does midi :

http://www.lordpercy.com/tungsten_t5_review.htm

http://www.minimusic.com/hardware2.html

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:00 am

WhiteNoise wrote:As a midi controller - people are willing to pay 2 grand for a multitouch Lemur interface.

honestly, do you know someone who actually bought it? i know a _lot_ of people who make music, but not one of them uses a lemur ...
i'm not out to fight, i'm just wondering ...

WhiteNoise wrote:You can get a multitouch iPhone or iPod Touch with similar apps for 200$. I'd say it's a pretty good deal.

hmmm ... one can get a midi controller with keys and knobs for less ...
i also don't get why some are so atracted by a touchscreen for making music ...
i mean, just a year ago everyone was screaming for knobs ...

WhiteNoise wrote:People are already making music on the gameboy, PSP, DS, etc.

again, i know a lot of peeps who have plenty of consoles, but the main thing they're dong with it is just playing games, i've yet to hear any pice of music made on such game consoles at all ...

WhiteNoise wrote:The iPhone is just an extension of that. These apps are more about live performance, fun, creativity and portability, not necessarily sound quality. I don't think anyone is going to take their iPhone apps head to head against a desktop synth - they just can't compete. Though I will say that the iPhone is atleast as powerful as some hardware units out there which cost a lot more. And in a lot of cases the interface is easier to use.

i hear you, it's not that i don't get the purpose ... it's just that i don't believe those apps do really serve it ... not due to the lack of the program, but the lack of the tiny unsufficient hardware ...

WhiteNoise wrote:There's plenty of musicians who purposely use crappy old gear, video game systems or gear with limitations - sometimes limitations can be inspiring. It also keeps you from spending hours of time deciding what plugins to use since your choices are made for you. Anyway it's a matter of taste I guess.

again, i'm on your side on this. limitations can be inspiring, i also use crappy gear intentionally ...but imo this has nothing to do with the fact that the i phone limitation lies in it's nature: the size ... i can't find any amusing in trying to hit the right key on the tiny screen, having to scroll back and forth and up and down and whatnot just to have a less than mediocre result after all that torment ...

i fail to see how that could possibly satifying anyone exept a kid who plays around with it a few days, then throws it away, to get the next rigtone or a blonde stripping on the screen ...

promnesia · Post by **promnesia** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:18 am

oh.. uhm nevermind then ;]

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:20 am

promnesia wrote:just go get one you know you want to..

it starts with hate.. then a few weeks later you find yourself buying one..

:]

oh wait.. that was me. but i'm pretty sure this is how it works anyway

i have an i phone and i like it, that's not the point ...

ShawnG · Post by **ShawnG** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:30 am

It's a computer. it's small and underpowered, but the iphone can be useful for a lot of things. I'm not going to lose my DAW, that would be stupid, but with my Iphone, I now have a wireless MIDI controller that can enable me to run my DAW while I'm tracking an acoustic instrument across the room (you know the same thing that everyone went ga-ga about with the tranz-port a few years ago) I have a pretty neat four-track recorder with metronome to use when I'm away from my home, and get a song idea. there's tons of useful things that can be done with it, and it's a phone, and ipod as well. you can call it a toy if you want, and it can be used as one, but there's lots of serious possibilities with this if we could get perhaps better audio/midi I/O

MIDI on iPhone