Which Clavinet vsti?

[mcnoone]

The only difference is that the C3 is more likely to have been blessed by a priest at some point, and the B3 is more likely to have been dropped.
You made the claim twice. Why don't you tell us the difference between same-year B3's and C3's. I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Yea...but what's all that got to do with who makes the best banjo vst, which is what this threads all about.

[taijiguy]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

[james0tucson]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

[james0tucson]

The only difference is that the C3 is more likely to have been blessed by a priest at some point, and the B3 is more likely to have been dropped.
You made the claim twice. Why don't you tell us the difference between same-year B3's and C3's. I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Yea...but what's all that got to do with who makes the best banjo vst, which is what this threads all about.

A Clavinet is not a banjo, and you are trolling. Do you have anything to contribute or don't you?

[mcnoone]

The only difference is that the C3 is more likely to have been blessed by a priest at some point, and the B3 is more likely to have been dropped.
You made the claim twice. Why don't you tell us the difference between same-year B3's and C3's. I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Yea...but what's all that got to do with who makes the best banjo vst, which is what this threads all about.

A Clavinet is not a banjo, and you are trolling. Do you have anything to contribute or don't you?

Sorry. Only try to lighten the mood...
On a better note, I did contribute to this thread earlier. I bought a great clavinet vst from a link in this thread too. Which is the topic. Organs are great too, but not the topic of this thread. It's Stevie vs Gregg, and Stevie wins everytime.

[taijiguy]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

Oh my!! Sorry for the false alarm. I was thinking of Harold.

[james0tucson]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

Oh my!! Sorry for the false alarm. I was thinking of Harold.

I did check. My connection to Al Goff is through the strangest of coincidences.
I had a co-worker in Atlanta who collects and restores vintage pinball machines (the kind of collection that dictates the capacity and plan of one's house, to say the least). It turns out that this co-worker consulted Goff on many wiring jobs. If you've seen the guts of Hammonds and the guts of pinball machines, the resemblance is extraordinary.

[taijiguy]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

Oh my!! Sorry for the false alarm. I was thinking of Harold.

I did check. My connection to Al Goff is through the strangest of coincidences.
I had a co-worker in Atlanta who collects and restores vintage pinball machines (the kind of collection that dictates the capacity and plan of one's house, to say the least). It turns out that this co-worker consulted Goff on many wiring jobs. If you've seen the guts of Hammonds and the guts of pinball machines, the resemblance is extraordinary.

I have met Al, although my most recent dealings at Goff Professional has been through Dave Vumback, another family member, from whom I bought my XK-3 and Motion Sound Pro-145. But my dealings with the family go back to Harold Goff. I used to hang around in his store playing the different model Hammonds, and he also maintained my B3.

Two other local Hammond masters are Ray Zeiner and his son Matt. I would trust my B3 with any of the above-mentioned.

I have seen the inside of pinball machines, and you are right about the similarities. It's a jungle in there.

[goffprof]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

taijiguy- You are correct-omundo. Any rumors about my demise are *slightly* exaggerated. Hell, I have a lot of B3's to fix....

James -- my Dad (Harold) passed away in 1984 but he was a great guy who we still miss every day.

Back to the issue at hand.... opinion on what?

Al Goff
GOFF Professional

[taijiguy]

I'll get Al Goff to give an opinion on whatever you come up with.

Is he still with us? I don't believe so.

I hadn't heard that he passed away.

taijiguy- You are correct-omundo. Any rumors about my demise are *slightly* exaggerated. Hell, I have a lot of B3's to fix....

James -- my Dad (Harold) passed away in 1984 but he was a great guy who we still miss every day.

Back to the issue at hand.... opinion on what?

Al Goff
GOFF Professional

Whew! That's good news, Al. Your Dad was the All-Being Master of Hammond organs and everyone in the northeast knew where to have their Hammonds serviced. I'm happy to see that the family tradition is being carried on.

Quickly looking back at this thread, one person claims that there's a big difference between a B3 and a C3. I've played both and have a B3/122 in storage, but I don't really see any more difference than between 2 B3s or 2 C3s. There was also some discussion about what's the best software clone of a Hammond, as if any of them could even come close to the real thing.

BTW, we're neighbors. I live in the same town as Goff Professionals.

[goffprof]

If the original question was related to technical differences between the B-3 and C-3, there weren't any significant differences as the organs were essentially identical except for cabinet style.

The HAMMOND A-100 has several important component and wiring differences from the B-3 / C-3 including a capacitor value change in the A0-28 preamp to increase bass in the A-100 because it was equipped with a 12" internal speaker as compared to the 15" woofer in the HAMMOND PR-40 tone cabinets originally delivered with a B-3 / C-3. Some people have purchased a used but perfect condition (home) A-100 and put it into a B-3 or C-3 cabinet.

The question of the "best" HAMMOND tonewheel clone is tough because the quality of digital sampling and clonewheels in general has risen in the past few years.

I like the HAMMOND XK-3 and the NORD Electro for simulated tonewheel sound, but NO simulator replaces a real tube amp Leslie. Some are better than others so I expect this will improve. Some of the tonewheel clones are simply terrible and still have digital synthesis in the upper keyboard registrations. It is an embarassing sound to anyone who likes the real thing and is usually caused by low end sampling and samples "stitched" together digitally.

One other problem on many clonewheels is the chorus and vibrato sound. The original HAMMOND Chorus setting "C3" is the most common chorus setting on a B-3, so it has to be very good on any clonewheel.

The newest HAMMOND Suzuki B-3 about to be introduced is even closer to the real tonewheel organ it replaces. Not perfect, but even better than anything before it.

Just my opinion....

Al Goff
GOFF Professional

[Aloysius]

Have you tried BigTick TickyClav11? Fab-tastic! I have the GSi one as well. I like them both!

[cosmosis]

I never played a clavinet, but I always thought the kontakt one sounded great

[Big Tick]

Hey, regarding TickyClav - I know it's not perfect (is there such a thing ?). Still, it dates back from 2002, and I had to make trade-offs for it to run on the hardware we had back then. I find it amazing it is still used in tracks, almost 10 years later !