Polyrhythm / contrapunct moves.
rhythm.
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
Semi quavers depict thirteen giraffes licking pudding off of each other.mattie wrote:Harmony and melody are made for the sentiment.
Polyrhythm / contrapunct moves.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
believe me, im as serious as cancer when i say, that rhythm is a dancer.
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- KVRAF
- 4279 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK
Just tie a yellow rhythm round that old oak treemattie wrote:Harmony and melody are made for the sentiment.
Polyrhythm / contrapunct moves.
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- KVRAF
- 9091 posts since 28 May, 2005 from Netherneverlands
Rhythm is a strange mixture between math and feelings. Unexplainable actually. I guess it's so important because it holds the melodies together, in some kind of 'spreadsheet' 
No band limits, aliasing is the noise of freedom!
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- KVRian
- 1084 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Your basement
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That it has a pulse is an indication that music is an organic emulation of our experience of reality. Through rhythm of blood pulsing in our arteries, we develop our relationship with time through our spirit bodies. We walk in each moment of our lives with a metered regularity produced by the symmetry of our limbs, but we also listen with the symmetry of our hearts. To understand the flow from the present to the past is to dance to the rhythm of life itself. We are trapped within the present moment, and are, therefore - all of us, dancing to the same beat. Peace, love and light be with you all.
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That it has a pulse is an indication that music is an organic emulation of our experience of reality. Through rhythm of blood pulsing in our arteries, we develop our relationship with time through our spirit bodies. We walk in each moment of our lives with a metered regularity produced by the symmetry of our limbs, but we also listen with the symmetry of our hearts. To understand the flow from the present to the past is to dance to the rhythm of life itself. We are trapped within the present moment, and are, therefore - all of us, dancing to the same beat. Peace, love and light be with you all.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
oh MAN.
My filter is always at highest settings.
I saw some science dude cited at 'net new music' forum which posited that music is a 'secondary language' (ie., that 'new music' has a 'failure to communicate' generally, and in support of this, 'some science'); that music, if not language, has something to do with (echoing) biological and neurological processes and when music strays too far from these organic combos of stuff going on, it goes beyond audience comprehension.
I think that's a total crock, personally. You get to (and you might search here for this if you're truly hurting for entertainment) things like, 'my heartbeat is a binary pulse, so duple rhythm is the most natural one'.
('odd time signatures', music theory board) out of this kind of thought. MAMA HEARTBEAT RULES OK.
I can't cite it (or remember science dude's name) 'cause the guy who posted it got banished for dissing Ligeti and complaining about THE F WORD in the same post, on top of being consistently annoying and drunk, so all his posts were disappeared.
New Rules OK...
My filter is always at highest settings.
I saw some science dude cited at 'net new music' forum which posited that music is a 'secondary language' (ie., that 'new music' has a 'failure to communicate' generally, and in support of this, 'some science'); that music, if not language, has something to do with (echoing) biological and neurological processes and when music strays too far from these organic combos of stuff going on, it goes beyond audience comprehension.
I think that's a total crock, personally. You get to (and you might search here for this if you're truly hurting for entertainment) things like, 'my heartbeat is a binary pulse, so duple rhythm is the most natural one'.
('odd time signatures', music theory board) out of this kind of thought. MAMA HEARTBEAT RULES OK.
I can't cite it (or remember science dude's name) 'cause the guy who posted it got banished for dissing Ligeti and complaining about THE F WORD in the same post, on top of being consistently annoying and drunk, so all his posts were disappeared.
New Rules OK...
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Mac of BIOnighT Mac of BIOnighT https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=70598 - KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
Music has certainly to do with biological rhythms (for example, why does a track that gets faster and faster as it goes on excite us? well... sex.)and reproduction of reality as engraved in our primeval cortex or whatever you call it (for example, why does a roll of timpani excite us in a rather scary way? Think of a herd of rhinos running and getting suddenly and dangerously closer... the basics all come down to that), plus cultural stuff (I don't think the average Scandinavian listener would get moved by most moving sitar piece that would get any Indian in tears...).
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
whether it has something to do with it or not, to tie it to that is goofy.
Maybe I'm just, not, normal, but music doesn't necessarily work that way for me, it's an object in time, it's envelopes. It's weights balanced against other weights.
Since my filter is at MAX, and just for kicks, to be argumentative for entertainment value: women don't necessarily go for 'faster faster faster' as far as getting her rox off. There is a lot of music which does things which emulate the sex act, from the male perspective I find tedious as fvck, because I'm aware of the effort. Rocking steady and slow is mo sexy to me.
As far as Scandavians and Sitar, why do you think this would that be the case? (is it impossible that the effect of a really emotive and evocative performance transdends some of this prejudice?) As a 'white person' why is it that European classical music fails to move me as much as Indian classical music? My thought is that, in general, *the melodic material tends to be richer*, which one can point to technical, objective criteria for.
In the most primitive terms, sure, mama heartbeat rules ok. Until you find it boring and predictable and go looking for more exciting phenomena, maybe.
Maybe I'm just, not, normal, but music doesn't necessarily work that way for me, it's an object in time, it's envelopes. It's weights balanced against other weights.
Since my filter is at MAX, and just for kicks, to be argumentative for entertainment value: women don't necessarily go for 'faster faster faster' as far as getting her rox off. There is a lot of music which does things which emulate the sex act, from the male perspective I find tedious as fvck, because I'm aware of the effort. Rocking steady and slow is mo sexy to me.
As far as Scandavians and Sitar, why do you think this would that be the case? (is it impossible that the effect of a really emotive and evocative performance transdends some of this prejudice?) As a 'white person' why is it that European classical music fails to move me as much as Indian classical music? My thought is that, in general, *the melodic material tends to be richer*, which one can point to technical, objective criteria for.
In the most primitive terms, sure, mama heartbeat rules ok. Until you find it boring and predictable and go looking for more exciting phenomena, maybe.
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- KVRist
- 184 posts since 6 Jul, 2005
not only the swedish...
those folks are very special...
http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaDance/uneven.htm
those folks are very special...
http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaDance/uneven.htm
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
AHA
Aksak. Long/short assymetry. That's a linguistic concept, and it would be challenging to tie that to biology I think. In Turkish, also Persian and Arabic musics, it informs much of the non metered music, and here you show dance music, metrical instances which do the same thing.
In India, which isn't really the same so much as Romania in terms of culture, you see quite similar thinking in Tala construction.
In Africa you get 12 as 7 + 5, and a good deal of extension of this type of assymetry (here 12 also tends to swing as compound triple time, at the same time as this, syncopated emphasis).
I don't think any of these commonalities in artificial complexity are explained simply as body music, or strictly from local culture, but is a combination of things which happen because you're DOING MUSIC, which isn't biology and isn't just habit. It's thought, it's done for its own sake.
Aksak. Long/short assymetry. That's a linguistic concept, and it would be challenging to tie that to biology I think. In Turkish, also Persian and Arabic musics, it informs much of the non metered music, and here you show dance music, metrical instances which do the same thing.
In India, which isn't really the same so much as Romania in terms of culture, you see quite similar thinking in Tala construction.
In Africa you get 12 as 7 + 5, and a good deal of extension of this type of assymetry (here 12 also tends to swing as compound triple time, at the same time as this, syncopated emphasis).
I don't think any of these commonalities in artificial complexity are explained simply as body music, or strictly from local culture, but is a combination of things which happen because you're DOING MUSIC, which isn't biology and isn't just habit. It's thought, it's done for its own sake.
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Mac of BIOnighT Mac of BIOnighT https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=70598
- KVRAF
- 2521 posts since 3 Jun, 2005 from Italy
To be quite frank, I frequent several forums on several topics, but I have never found any other where everybody seems to take everything everybody says so totally literally to the very last syllable and takes every single example not as - well - an example that is just there to give an idea of a concept instead of writing a super-exhaustive encyclopaedia on any silly subject, but as the one and only thing to elaborate on...
"Rocking steady and slow is mo sexy to me" from beginning to the very end? You're pretty peculiar... Everything works better with a crescendo (music, films, books...) and that is the most basic thing where you can find a crescendo. And ask any woman who's been with a non-ejaculating male how exciting she finds the lack of a male climax.
"As a 'white person' why is it that European classical music fails to move me as much as Indian classical music?" Now, liking indian classical music classifies you as the average listener from wherever the heck you're from? Have you read what I wrote before answering?
"My thought is that, in general, *the melodic material tends to be richer*, which one can point to technical, objective criteria for." Tell somebody from an African tribe. "Objective" in music doesn't exist.
"you're DOING MUSIC, which isn't biology and isn't just habit." Sure. Just like talking. Seems to me, however, that any language has both biology and habit in it. Sure, some people from wherever get moved by classical Indian music, but IN GENERAL, it's easier to find more Indians who love it than Scandinavians... Just like it's easier to find Romanian people who speak Romanian than it is to find Swedish people who speak it. Still, the need for a language is both biological and cultural.
I said that music HAS TO DO with biology and culture, I didn't say IT ONLY HAS to do with them.
"Rocking steady and slow is mo sexy to me" from beginning to the very end? You're pretty peculiar... Everything works better with a crescendo (music, films, books...) and that is the most basic thing where you can find a crescendo. And ask any woman who's been with a non-ejaculating male how exciting she finds the lack of a male climax.
"As a 'white person' why is it that European classical music fails to move me as much as Indian classical music?" Now, liking indian classical music classifies you as the average listener from wherever the heck you're from? Have you read what I wrote before answering?
"My thought is that, in general, *the melodic material tends to be richer*, which one can point to technical, objective criteria for." Tell somebody from an African tribe. "Objective" in music doesn't exist.
"you're DOING MUSIC, which isn't biology and isn't just habit." Sure. Just like talking. Seems to me, however, that any language has both biology and habit in it. Sure, some people from wherever get moved by classical Indian music, but IN GENERAL, it's easier to find more Indians who love it than Scandinavians... Just like it's easier to find Romanian people who speak Romanian than it is to find Swedish people who speak it. Still, the need for a language is both biological and cultural.
I said that music HAS TO DO with biology and culture, I didn't say IT ONLY HAS to do with them.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
best left undead...